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Short story here - Red Bull set to be announced as new promoter of the World Rally Championship - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.comQuote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
yap i cant watch it. and i wiish to really wish i could just watch it even once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
The WRC coverage of Finland, all 3 days review was broadcast on ESPN and with Paul Kane... like last year... with Colin and Julian on Motors/Paul King on ESPN.
South African media company that was rumored.... "Kagiso Media/Mobile Alliance" to do/promote WRC... Who are they?
If I'm not mistaken they are also involved in Rally South Africa which is a WRC candidate event this year.
Hope for better WRC future.
Sorry my last post on broadcast on tv recently, Rally Finland on S P E E D tv station. Paul King commentating but Hirvonen sort of Hosting the ep. Like a RallyXS/Magazine show... With out of rally interviews and bit of go cart racing with drivers!
Did Red Bull actually get confirmed yet?
This weekend Barum Rally Zlin is live for 4 proper stages, on Eurosport and free-to-air Czech TV too. New WRC promoter has some catching up to do.
Yes, 4 years since Eurosport trialled live coverage with Rallye du Valais.....
WRC can't get the Live Power stage in the WRC website live. I haven't seen one live this year. I don't expect that to change on RallyGB - I can't see it being live on a National UK station, regional doesn't count.
No, not yet - an annoucement was expected in Germany, but I can't find anything that said an annoucement would be made, so I'm pretty sure that was just speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Wow, what great news. If there is a company that has cache with young viewers and understands the importance of mobile access it's Red Bull. Probably too early for a strategy moving forward? I'm sure you guys will keep us up to date.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
If Red Bull can get the quality and the position of the onboard camera right, then we are coming a long way.
Check this out:
Ruben Zeltner WP7 Rallye Deutschland 2012 - YouTube
Imagine a full stage with Loeb in this quality and with camera in this position. Gold.
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Originally Posted by Lundgaard
I guess some are easily amused.
We have discussed this before, and there seems to be a generational split. I want to see what the driver makes the CAR do relative to the road.
too much In car is so boring I want to take a Volvo crankshaft and drop it on my toes to cause brain damage.
So you find this boring?! I find the normal onboards in low res and with the camera in a stupid position really boring. But this is really great.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Here we ARE seeing what the driver makes the car do relative to the road. Unless you are 95 with bad eyesight, I don't think it has something to do with generations...
I find in-car boring. I like seeing it occasionally but would far rather see external shots that recreate what I see if I go to watch a rally live.
Onboard with proper camera position and decent light control is the most valuable kind of video for me.
Second most valuable is camera mounted at one place showing in sequence how each driver passes it.
But that doesn't attract new people.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
WRC first has to somehow keep the current ones, then think for new. ;)
And how do you know that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Since North One Sport took over and placed cameras in all the wrong places inside and outside of the car, the ratings has not exactly gone up...
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Originally Posted by Lundgaard
Well I don't want to damage a Volvo crank by giving myself brain-damage for no good reason....and putting myself out of misery (nåd skottet till nacken is maybe a little too much..) (oh dear, furrin words!! I was warned! uh.... gotta think quick!!! What the hell is it called nåd skot in Engleski? Ah! Coupe de grace! Yeah that's sdure as hell good Anglisch) seems like a justifiable use for en Rödblock vev)
All I see is a ribbon of road outside. And the driver twitching the wheel a little now and then.
The problem:
I know what roads look like from inside cars, I have driven 100s of thousands of km all over Western Europe, the whole way from Narvik till Oslo, Stockholm to the Spanish border many times, 1000s of miles in the SE and SW of France on little "Departemental" roads like used on stages, millions of miles in USA, thousands of km in Canada on skinny stage like roads...
And then I started doing rallies. so i know what Stages look like from inside the car. 90% Gravel, the rest snow, excpt maybe 30km asphalt in 15 years...
And more elesewhere..
I know what roads and stages look like..
I want to see the car in a unique setting (Finland, Varmland, Koriska, OZ, NZ, Haute Alpes, ) and what the car's reactions to the driver input is. How much the car squats, how close the car is to locking the wheels relative to the surface, air underneath the car (rather than a little jiggle of the helmet) over jumps, angle of the CAR.
.gravel and dirt flying.
If I wanted to see just a ribbon of road squiggling on a screen I'd buy a Colin Burns Video plaything..
But I'm not of the generation that grew up playing with some screen, I grew up racing, then when I was older and beat up--like 32 or so---I began actually driving stages since its so easy and relaxing..
All we see is a little twitchiness and that's it. And since they all got on the idiotic fad of covering half the windscreen with black, we see even less.
Since they started producing the TV programmes in HD this year, I reckon the on-board camera footage and locations have improved quite a lot.
Do you have any examples of that? I haven't seen a real improvement to be honest. And as far as HD goes, I have never seen real full HD from a WRC car.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
I agree with both points...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
I think you are quite lonely with your opinion :)Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Do you really think that the WRC broadcast ratings have got anything to do with the way onboard cameras are placed? Majority of people don't even give a s... as long as they see something. This is a rally forum and it's a place where more or less die hard rally fans have gathered over time and you can't make a TV programme based on hard core fan base wishes because they are the minority. Janvanvurpa has actually the right idea because people want to see what's happening (and the hard core fans want to see how it happened).Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundgaard
About ratings. Ratings have a rather simple story, they go up when there's something interesting and down when it's boring. People got bored of Michael Schumacher dominating the F1 and they've got bored of Seb Loeb just humiliating the competition. The ratings won't go up before there's a proper fight going on and channels with bigger audiences start to broadcast it.
And generally, rallying isn't a TV friendly sport. The only way to get more people interested is actually embracing the new media fully. More content and of course the need for the kind of feed they did in France last year. That's what might get WRC more audience but all that demands quite much money.
Going back to your question. I don't know it by 100% but I'm more than pretty sure that I'm not wrong. Majority of people don't even notice details.
No, it has been discussed many times before.. This forum being mainly a "fan" forum, well we can probably assume , on average, a younger crowd somewhat distant to real participation, maybe a bad sample, or maybe those bored iwth in-car have already shot themselves, or bashed a crankshaft on their headQuote:
Originally Posted by igi
You can't satisfy everyone. One likes one view, other another. NOS had really showed lot of views, we could even watch the car's suspension dynamics sometimes. Of course watching the whole stage from this perspective will be stupid. Perhaps a survey should be made and different perspectives should be timed according to audience percentage preference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundgaard
Both the Ford and Citroen YouTube clips seem to use the FIA's HD feed for a lot of their vision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundgaard
Some inboard are ok, but not too much. The most important is to have the splits and finish at good positions with good camera angels. With grapics and split times live. Some switching between inboard, heli and the split cams, when a car approaches the split or the finish.
Well, if I am alone on this (that this - Ruben Zeltner WP4 Rallye Deutschland 2012 - YouTube - is great) then there is a long way to go :)
I really thought that all "the real fans" could see the differens in both picture quality and angle quality.
And to Rallyfiend: NOS calls it HD, but it has NOTHING to do with HD. That is one of the reasons why I hate them so much.
I have seen proper. By go pro. Have you seen ken blocks helmet cam? Awesome
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Is there any reason why we can't want good quality camera work inside and outside the car?Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Speed TV broadcast Rally Finland in HD!!!
But everyone else got MotorsTV from
Finland and quality... Not so good!
The only reason why we can't see HD coverage of the WRC this year properly is because NO is showing in HD, a random one off I watched on Speed TV.
MotorsTV is horrible, in SD. When NorthOne were showing, it was in HD!
Even today current series the WRC is IS in High Definition!!!! But no one shows it on TV!!
Of course not, is there anybody anywhere that has suggested you cannot want good quality camera work anywhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
The dirty bastid. I say we go find the bastid and beat him up.
They should bring back WRC to ITV4.
Anyone that has seen the plan the new WRC promotors presented FIA to win the contract?
nice article about the Alsace live coverage
Un Rallye automobile en intégralité et en direct : Une première mondiale Canal + / AMP Visual TV | Media un autre regard
The director in the van must be very busy and up to date to choose which of the seven channels he forward.
I can guarentee you that the WRC is broadcast and recorded in HD. Depending who picks it up to show on TV, it is filmed in HD.
I don't care if is in HD, all I want is it to be back on ITV4 and NOT DAVE or E.S.P.N