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What about the last few races of 2008 when he beat Kubica to best of the rest. Winning Fuji that year was pure genius - he changed the strategy mid-race taking into account of the BMW graining problems on long stints.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
As a so called fan, you seem to acknowledge success when a driver has the best car.
So, do we think Alonso has more involvement in strategy than he let on in the Crashgate scandal?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Toro Rosso?Quote:
Originally Posted by f1indiablog
Aha, yes - only certain races....Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Those held on a Sunday only...... ;)
My personal opinion is that he must have known. No driver at his level leaves these things entirely to the team and hops into the car without knowing the intended strategy. Not for nothing did he acquire the soubriquet "Teflonso" round these parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Probably, judging by previous from. I wouldn't be surprised but I think he would've taken it as pinch of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
He and Schumi have shown their ugly side in WDC situations. I don't think Schumi stooped low just to win a couple of races in a year. In that situation here's nothing to gain from it if they cheated and (hoped to) get away with it compared to winning WDC.
Let me try again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
It has to be the best car because technology has moved on since 2006, after the F60 disaster, Ferrari began work on this car early and given that it is year two of the current regs the probability they would get it right is high, he has not sat in a good car since 2007 - and is not about to compliment a Mclaren - instead he celebrates the car and the team.
This whole argument did not revolve around Alonso's view of the F10 but that it was the car to dominate in 2010.
At this stage no team can be judged that way - and given that ALL the teams are following the way of Red Bull, if any team begins with the probability of dominating it will certainly be Mateschitz's pride and joy.
Alonso is an emotionalistic sort of person and it did him in at Mclaren. If anything, should Massa have the audacity to beat Alonso, he willself-destruct at Ferrari too.
Has Alonso matured enough?
The only team principal able to direct the Alonso energy is his good friend Flavio. Fernando has moral courage - he was the only person in F1 to not turn his back on the Italian.
I think Alonso is an intriguing mix. He is a brilliant driver - in my view the most complete in F1 today. If he can get the Ferrari to work to his satisfaction then HE is going to be the difference, not the car.
Which is why he is my pick for winning the Australian Grand Prix [another thread]
And so what if he did know?Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
The FIA was not a court in the legal sense - the power of subpoena. It was not at all in his interest to undermine the team and definitely as he showed, he is not one to be disloyal to a good close friend like Briatore.
His actions at Mclaren demonstrate the difference - Mclaren ended up with a $100 million fine and Fernando wrecked his position there. Its known as the Dennis factor.
I could not imagine Jenson leaving Brawn for Mclaren had Dennis still been on pit wall.
Alonso never deliberately crashed into fellow drivers as did Schumacher - to have the disgrace of being thrown out of a championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Schumacher recently said that he regretted what he did - I think it is unlikely to recur - well we hope so!
The first idea of who IS the quickest will be at Catalunya - the home of the Spanish Grand Prix and the last test before the first grand prix at Sakhir.
Naturally I am totally chuffed that Jenson was the quickest of all during the eight days at Jerez and the only one to lap in the 1.18's :-]]] oogah! oogah!
But it was also a reflection of time of day, weather conditions and so on - but its still great - yeah! :-]
I am warning all the Jenson doubters, resenters and haters - underestimate the Brit at your peril.
But Catalunya will see the cars in almost race configuration and I think it can be considered as the beginning of the 2010 season - let the racing [and shennanigans] begin!
A safe season to all.
If we have learnt anything from this year's testing, that's definetly it. And I don't know if we think, I do sometimes when I don't have a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I wouldn't be so sure of that. With so many variables with the tyres, fuel consumption, fuel weights etc, I expect any team with a possible advantage to keep it well and truly hidden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I'm much happier having the Scuderia going well in testing rather than buried at the bottom of the timesheets and "keeping their powder dry" or some other cliche for "we're slow but we're going to pretend that everybody else is showboating".
The F10 might not be the F2004 Mk II but it's also not going to be the F60 Mk II either. I'll take that, thank you very much.
This is the only time the teams will have an opportunity to test on a track they race on. So aside from compiling data for the Spanish Grand Prix, it is also the first time they can compare the performance of the 2009 car to 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Mclaren have said that they will run for the first time in a near race set-up during the test and of course both Jenson and Rubens will now be able to compare their new cars to the Brawn.
Sure there will be updates for Sakhir but the Catalunya circuit is a good mix of quick and slow sectors.
Hence for me this is the real start to the season.
I agree wholehearteedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
To have the top teams languishing and top drivers in uncompetitive cars is frustrating. Alonso in the Renault for two years was such a waste.
Similarly it will be good this year if all the teams slot into their correct level and let the drivers show just how good THEY are.
That is the strangest way to look at it. That's like if Luca Badoer came out and said the F60 was the best car he'd even raced - it was, but against the competition it wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Why oh why would a double WDC come out and make such an obvious statement, he wouldnt . The only logical thing he could mean is that the F10 is the car that he believes will see him lift a 3rd title.
Great isn't it! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
What disgrace? He finished second in WDC. He cheated and still lost!Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Alonso blackmailled his own boss which is far more disgraceful IMO. Not even Schumi or Senna sunk that low. ....OK maybe Senna in '93! :D
The point is, both have used devious/underhand/unsporting tactics in the past.
But you can't hide lap times!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Of course not, but you can ask your pilot not to go flat out, or you can run more fuel than the amount of laps in your stint demands etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Analysing lap times such as consistency and drop off.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Yes, but since his boss was cheating. lying scum, there is nothing wrong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
"With the spy history I was in the wrong place at the wrong time," Alonso told the newspaper. "But I was very happy to help the FIA discover everything"
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81650
Good lad!
Only after they had ratted on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Never forget that.
You'll have to bear with him, he's probably repairing a puncture in his yacht...Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
There isn't the candle-power or wattage in the world to achieve that, as there are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Iambic pentameter? That was pretty slick there Tamby.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Sorry, what was your answer to the question posed as to 'how was Alonso ratted on'?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Fork 'andles, or four candles has no place when you actually require 'andles for forks.
Just don't ask for knockers.
Amen! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Grazie.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Thoug, alas, twas wasted upon the philistines, I see.
The last refuge of a scoundrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
what a peaceful man you are. This is like putting on the condom after having sexy time.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I do not think it is strange - it is entirely plausible. You can draw that conclusion about Fernando - my point was that it may be the best car he has driven for the reasons I gave, but we have no idea how it will peform versus the others, and neither does Alonso.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
But as it IS Alonso and if it IS a good car, then ALONSO has a good chance of winning - not by implication Massa.
If Badoer said it was the best car it would carry little weight - albeit that the press treated Luca abominably, notwithstanding the Italian did not acquit himself well. Allowing Grosjean by, in the pit exit lane AND infringing the blend line at Valencia was the most peculiar action.
Definitely both Badoer and Fisichella did not cloak themselves in glory - but the F60 was extremely difficult to learn at such short notice as Giancarlo showed.
There is a difference between being dangerous and cheating on track and using leverage in a fit of pique to try and engineer one's own goal within a team - a team whose principal had no idea HOW to manage the situation - something Ron Dennis now admits was mishandled.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
"Blackmail" is not the correct word.
What Senna did was even worse and he ought to have been thrown out of the sport.
Schumacher will find that he needs to get his in car temper under control as F1 has changed since he last raced.
For the first time in his F1 career Schumi will face a field that has depth of ability and those same drivers contain people that will not be rattled by his close on track presence and one driver who knows he has beaten him - twice. Luca alluded to that!
Ok, if him being a Double WDC isn't enough to take him at face value how about simple maths. The best lap we have seen in testing at Jerez is some 3+ seconds down on the best the V10's could managed so it is not the the fastest car he has even driven, so he must be refering to its pace against his rivals when he speaks of it being his best car ever.
You is missing the point brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
How heavy or light was his car?
How heavy or light were the others?
What compound of tyre was he running?
What compound of tyre were the others running?
Were the tyres new, or worn?
Is the car good at heating the tyre, does it look after the tyre(s)?
How many laps was the stint that the fastest time was set on?
Come up with the answers to the above, and you are about a quarter of the way to knowing who is where.
Alonso's soundbite is what is called 'media games'.
Next, you need to consider aero efficiency, speed trap figures, COG, aero balance, cooling, diffuser efficiency.
I could go on........
(my wife tells me I do anyway...!!!!)
Think about this - teams that have thus far run the tank dry to guage fuel flow and consumption have not set the fastest laps during the run?
You'd think that, running on fumes, they would, huh?
So you see, cards are played very close to the chest in the testing game.....
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I disagree vehemently. Michael has faced Ayrton, Alain, Nige, Damon, the impossibly fast Mika Hakkinen, the crazy Montoya, his own brother, who was no slouch, Kimi... he has no reason the fear a bunch of kids ;) Although I do admit that Alonso and Lewis are formidable rivals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote