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Originally Posted by HaCo
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http://www.rallyscotland.tv/download...cision_2.6.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
That's a shame.
Good job this was not the title decider...
Far to much bureaucracy in rallying these days.
So, it looks like Wilks, Skoda and RGRS are the new winners of the Scottish Rally 2009. After the exclusion in the RAC Rally this is a nice revenge. :D
It would be interesting to know just how underweight the part was. It's a shame when it's a parts issue that the team nor the manufacturer don't spot.
Especially when it is something (like Ford's rear windows) that makes no difference on the stages.
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wwbroe
Too many irregularities with S2000 cars lately.
What was the real issue with the 207 ? Was the part too light ?
For private drivers spending own budget an issue like this has big impacts.
You have be able to trust the car you buy or rent - simple as that !
It seems the part was about 150 grams too light. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Big deal... Meeke is big enough to rise above this. The car was 20kg over weight and he still whipped their asses. Skoda will need all the horse power and wide track they can muster, with MSport threatening to bring in the big guns for Monte.....Roll on 2010.
First there was only one another factory car there - Alister McRae. All the rest were private cars. And You know what that means ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
Second thing... it's a bit strange when factory Peugeot is heavier while it's only 3D compared to private Skoda with 5D body (the only another 5D is Corolla/Auris)...
Kronos is no more factory than RGS is?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
The facts are car was 20kg over the weight limit. Take from that what you will.. 3 door, 5 door, or forklift truck.
So your telling me Wilks didnt get a car good enough to challenage for victory? OK..
There hasn't been rules in rallying in the past? Obey the rules and you don't have to deal with the bureaucracy. Pretty simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macd
Did the 150 grams have any effect? Most probably not. But rules are rules.
I dont think anybody is arguing with that, its more the punishment. For example, Citroen got a 1 minute penalty, for something that was a more serious enfringment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
I hope something good will come out of this. Like someone will stick their head around the door of Mr. Skoda UK's office and say "Hey we won that rally".
And that might be the spur he needs to put pen to paper on a deal for Guy next year.
Of course, Kronos use works specs. car. RGRS is normal private team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
I don't want to tell anything more than the fact that factory car is factory car and that is step further everytime regardless it's manufacturer, type or class.
Those 20 kg... It was nothing against Kris (I consider him faster than anyone else in Scotland). I just wonder how is it possible...
Good decision. I hope they keep same kind of policy in WRC as well. Every proved technical infringement should led to exclusion. It has been like that most of the time and they should leave it like that in the future.
I agree. Once upon a time if your car didn't conform at post-event scrutineering the Steward's decision would be disqualification. More importantly, all competitors knew this to be fact. Of course, there are sometimes special circumstances, then and now, which the Stewards take into account when making their judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
However, lately it seems to me that, armed with a room full of experts, teams can often convince the Stewards that it was an 'administrative error that gave no advantage' and receive a wide range of lesser penalties.
Unless present at the hearing we can't question the decision in this case or the other recent well-known ones. What concerns me more is the message these 'lesser penalty' judgements sends to other race/rally competitors at all
levels!
Few quotes from Peugeot and Mrs. Skoda UK:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80347
Peugeot aren't going to appeal. They don't think any performance was gained from the lighter part - as others have said the car was actually overweight.
Saved to memory bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
You are right about the need to set the precident that you cant cut corners and you have to abide by the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido
The problem is though that administrative errors do happen. You order a part that is a strictly specified weight/measurement from your suppliers. Unless the team were to check every single one of the thousands of parts that they receive there is always a chance this could happen. But when you have paid good money for a batch of parts you would hope beyond hope that they are to the correct specification.
This was evident with the Ford rear-window case. I personally think to have DQ'd them for that would have been bad for the sport. It would have bordered on farcical. I also would not have wanted to see Citroen fully DQ'd for their incorrect anti rollbar links.
It is a difficult line to toe because on the one hand you want to set a strong precident but on the other sometimes you need to apply a bit of common sense and account for human error. Especially when there was clearly no performance advantage gained.
Something else worth thinking about. In NASCAR where teams often try to push the boat out a bit - they will allow a driver to keep a win but dock points from either the driver or the owners points (usually both). That way a marginal case still gets the win (less messy for the public/sporting image) but they take a hit in the points. That would save wins getting scrubbed off days later or after the podium ceremonies like we have now.
As previously reported, the Loeb issue that everyone seems to have a lot to moan about, it was not a technical issue, purely administrative, and therefore I think a 1 minute penalty was acceptable. Why can't people understand this? :s
And windows also were only administrative issue? I can assure You that 0,4 mm of glass on a side window makes more than 150 grams (0,15 square meter of 0,4 mm thickness weights actualy 150 grams)...
OK, so only WRC counts.
What about administrative errors concerning a almost 2min lead in PWRC. That is not important if the team isn't delivering the (IRC) champion?
I guess everyone knows how to check the FIA regulations (for sure the manufacters!!!), so no questions afterwards.
Regulations=regulations.
Just thinking. Why are the scruntineers as thorough with their checks before the event?
There is not enough time and people to check all cars completely in pre-event scrutineering. It's mostly about safety equipment and weight. You can't dissasamble dozens of cars and check each of them. That's why only top cars in finish are checked further.
They could spot check one vechile prior to rally and strip it. Also, it would'nt take too long to check the teams spares truck prior to the rally. Only a sugestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
Nobody let you disassamble their engine of transmission just before the event.It requires precision in every detail when assembling engine or transmission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
The mechanics would be fit to take a cross memeber of rear brake caliper off under instpection of a scruniteer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloverleaf
pre event scrut is for all competitors and is for safety, post event is for selected competitors and is for legality, its not hard to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear
It is up to the entrant to compete in a legal car, I'm just glad that this was 'only' an event win decided this way and not the championship.
after my "rally of Scotland" video's the pictures are online now:
http://dmares.zenfolio.com/rallyofschotland09
I hope you enjoy them also?
best regards,
Kevin
Quick reminder for UK people; Rally Scotland review is going to be on BBC2 Scotland (anyone with Sky can get this) tomorrow (Sunday) at 1:15pm.
Will be interesting to see if they have made a better go of the review programme than Eurosport themselves!
Hopefully most can access this. Irish programme on Meeke and Rally Scotland, good insight to what happens before rally start each morning etc. Even Papa Wilson has a word to say.
http://www.u.tv/UTVMediaPlayer/Defau...x?vidid=127152
Thanks Noel, very interesting ;)
Very good programme, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
Have that channel been showing other IRC coverage this year?
Very interesting video indeed, especially because the other approach of things. :D
RPM ( http://www.rpm-motorsport.com/ ) is the production company and mostly just make programmes on the Irish Tarmac Championship and a few other Irish things that are shown on this channel and also sold to SKY and Motors TV etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Since the emergence of Meeke this season there's been quite a few editions based around him. All good to see since they are quite a small company.
They covered his IRC season in 3 or 4 programmes although most of the rally footage was from Eurosport but did include footage not broadcast on the Eurosport editions and had separate interviews and bits and pieces of Meeke and Nagle training and being interviewed in Ireland.
The San Remo programme expires today http://www.u.tv/MediaPlayer/Programm...&filter=103353
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