Petter WILL be in Spain according to autosport!!The only thing that remains is the car...He will decide this week...(?)
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Petter WILL be in Spain according to autosport!!The only thing that remains is the car...He will decide this week...(?)
Just shows what really is the development pace in WRC even some have tried to assure otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halvis
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Originally Posted by Psycho!
Great news!I believe he will run with the C4 finally.
The only sure is that he'll participate with citroen :D
It's really stupid that ex world champ musts pay lot of money to drive..
The autosport.com story to me hints it will be a Focus. If you were in Petter's position and given the choice who would you trust the most, to treat you fairly Malcolm or Quensel / Loeb?
Surely it is a commercial deal, and I can see complications, Ford is sponsored by BP, the second team is Stobart a trucking company, - Petter is sponsored by a trucking / boating company (Johs Lunde) and Shell. On the other hand Citroen is sponsored by Total and Red Bull, (I am not sure if Red Bull is sold in Norway, as some countries restrict its sale)
Red Bull are now sold in Norway, was forbidden to May 2009.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
I don't see why that should be a problem anyway? Alcohol and tobacco sponsors are not allowed either in Norway.. Petter had them both when he drove for Subaru...(555-BAT and Corona)
I agree - but he has to play his cards a little further than for just those 2 events IMHO. He has a pack of pretty strong sponsors, so he should be able to negotiate at deal for at least any one of the M2 teams for next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
He won't be treated fair in any of the teams. They will use him strategially if they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
I think he ment that maybe not Shell would like that BP/TOTAL thing..Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL
I believe there was some complications in Petter's Xsara dealings so his Xsara didin't represent what it could have been. The telling fact is thaqt even Mikkelsen out of nowehre was able to drive stage times near to Petter with old Fabia! Not to mention Per Andersson. Maybe only Finland's friday was representative and it was short story. If one compares Petter's friday pace in Finland and Poland there is drastical difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
Of course I am not saying that Xsara is par to Focus or C4 after three years. But i can't be nearly as bad as it looked with Petter.
Lost money??? hahaha more like he EARNED money, i agree he lost the result he wanted but money, no wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
Is there someplace to compare "winner's average km/hr " in the last few years?
Something to put real numbers to the idea?
Just curious, not arguing.
Thing I think is bad is concrete info and even good clear photos of the DETAILS of the cars is so lacking.
Oh well I gotta go work on some parts for ancient Volvo F-cup type cars.....poor me.
Real numbers? Only what Petter has said and afterall he has driven these cars so he should know ...Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77983
Seems like Petter has options for both 09 and 10 !
"We would look to run him in a 2008-specification car, we can't put him in the '09 car." Why is that??????
M1 - 09. M2 - 08 I think, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL
I suspect Petter could've done all that over the phone from home:
MW - "Hi Petter"
PS - "Hi Malcolm"
PS - "Ok, how much?, you're joking, aren't you?"
MW - "That's the best we can do, full discount too, very special price just for you Petter".
PS - "Right then, I'll let you know......Bye"
From what i understand in regards to homologation (which is limited) all privateers & M2 teams have to run older cars as they are fully homologated where-as the "current" car is constantly being developed so there is no homologation as such which allows for M-Sport & Co to develop the cars as they go. Another great FIA/ISC initiative.
I tried to explain that in another thread(or maybe this one) earlier, but I only got bashed... So there you go...4 possible winning cars in the WRC.. Way to go..
I remember you posted that idea. The counterarguments, well.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by JFL
You'd think that the forum-ers were in Olivier's or Malcolm's wallet.
Excellent observation. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by macksrallye
Two teams just keep choking the competition.
The stopwatch should know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
http://www.juwra.com/stats_event_average_speeds.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Something like that, perhaps? Of course it'd be better to compare same rally on different years and also take in consideration what kind of changes were done route. For example, Hirvonen's NORF winning average speed this year was 121 km/h where as Loeb's from last year was 117 km/h. Last year it was much discussed how the route went to smaller roads which didn't suite Mikko as well as they did Seb.
On eWRC results you see average speeds from every stage.
[quote="janvanvurpa"]Really?
Is there someplace to compare "winner's average km/hr " in the last few years?
Something to put real numbers to the idea?
This year's Rally Catalunya is exactly the same as last year.
So, if it is dry again, you can get some numbers.
Mmm, and the sooner this ends the better! It's supposed to be the WRC, not the Ford/Citroen Rally Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
It's nothing we haven't already heard elsewhere, but here's the news about Petter on wrc.com http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk...%20this%20year
Now that we know for sure that Petter Solberg isn't going to drive a car nominated for Manufacturer points, then it's a little more difficult to see the benefit for Ford and Citroën, apart from it being good commercially.
Even though that Hirvonen looks stronger than Loeb in GB and vice versa for Spain, then I don't see PS being able to beat anyone of them in those two rallies.
Total agree!Hirvonen and Loeb are in great situation and won't let easy anyone get between them...Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
Im not so sure. Solberg has a great record in Wales, he is known to love that rally, and I think he could possibly cause an upset in the right car.Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD
You got the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Comparing stage by stage is too difficult if there are big differences but what I'm thinking is how waaaaaaaaaaaaay back when GpB was going full blast many of my friends here in the Rally Third World were astonsihed at how fast the cars were and EVERYBODY started saying "they're TOO FAST".
Later in the early 90s I have a Swedish magazine that had a 1000 Lakes preview and it had the winner and his average km/hr from 1980 thru 1992 and it was interesting to see that the GpB cars averaging only about a max of 5 km/hr faster compare to the nice old Gp4 cars.
I did some math for overall average in the late 90s/early 00ies and it seems once everybody had their syquential boxes working and got used to 34mm restrictor, average speeds came up another 3 to 5 km/hr compared to early 90s GpA 40 or 38mm restrictor cars.
Now people always say "It's SOOOOOOOOOO much faster!!!" and so I want to have an idea compared to what I know in the past.
Then we can try and find what they're doing
I agree. Solberg seems to try that little bit harder in Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexlake
Maybe its because its typically the last round of the season, or there is large Subaru following in the area or maybe its because of his co-driver Phils home country, but he does seem to try harder.
If Petter gets an up to date car and assuming he has a clean run, Id tip him for a win.
Hirvonen en Loeb have to take the points in mind, and drive a bit carefuller Solberg only wants the win and can drive 110 %. If he gets a decent (2008) car, he is my favortie to win.
In a scenario were Loeb and Hirvonen would be figthing for the championship in GB, I don't belive Solberg would have a chance. If one of the guy retires, then the other would not attack, and Solberg would probably go for the win.
Unfortunately,we have to wait as far as the GB rally to see what will happen!Quote:
Originally Posted by mdesign
Although,I don't think he is able this time to take a win in WRC :)
Best he can hope for (barring retirements) is fifth.
fifth? Thats a bit optimistic is'nt it?
I disagree. Loeb must win in Australia otherwise it's almost "game over". Then he will have to rely on a 1-2 Citroën finish in Catalunya, and then he "only" needs second place in GB to take the title.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Likewise Hirvonen, has to win Australia to prevent Loeb from getting the possible scenario above.
Therefor there will be no "taking it carefully" IMHO. But with Loeb's mind now on circuit racing, I think he's most likely to make a mistake or to be beaten fair and square.
So will Petter hand on until after Australia to see who offers the most tempting deal before deciding?
Better to keep driving Xsara for these two rallies than to pay big money for long weekend(s) (like Atkinson did)..
Total agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
There is no reason for PS to change car now!
He can't do something in this championship,so I think he has to just finish the year with the little damage for his profile...
Next year he can take every car he wants and needs for been competitive at last ;)
I have the impression that the new deal includes 2010,doesn't it??
You shouldn't, at least If you belong to rally fansQuote:
Originally Posted by jimakos
who claim that Petter's bad luck Is a 'car matter'!
Using another car under real race conditions ( not testings )
will help Petter to understand what's the best for him
for the new season...before It starts!