Thats a comparison of a Ferrari and a Porsche. Has the McLaren been compared to a porker yet? And if so, was it derided as being soulless compared to the German car?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
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Thats a comparison of a Ferrari and a Porsche. Has the McLaren been compared to a porker yet? And if so, was it derided as being soulless compared to the German car?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Popped down to see what was going on with Filming today. Just a GTR going around with Stiggy and Rowan Atkinson doing SiaRPC bit. Might be interesting to see that actually because Rowan has a bit of experience. We had his GT350 in in the Workshop for a couple of years but it might be slightly different in the Kia.
Selebrity in a Reasonably Priced Car? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
Have you ever driven a Korean car, Hyundai especially?Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Point & squirt = boringQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Judging by the end of the review it's quite obvious the McLaren would need to try harder to make the car more engaging ie. 'fun' factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
What are you going on about now???? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Can you not spell or are you merely confused :p
I suspect that most people, you and I included, do not have the skill or the money to burn to risk pushing a McLaren, Ferrari or Porsche hard enough to tell which is more engaging.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Yes, in fact. And I was passionate about a particular Hyundai Accent, because that was the most fun I ever had driving in a race. Hell, I was passionate about a 0.8L Suzuki.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Also, I have driven a Formula Rolon car based off of a Chevrolet in a race.
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Mind boggling fun.
Have you ever driven a Porsche 911, a Ferrari, a Pagani Zonda, a Lamborghini or a Mclaren to their limits to know if a slightly ill handling car is more fun?
Yes, I'm sure Glock driving that handful Virgin is a much happier man than the utterly bored Vettel driving that almost perfect Red Bull. ;) Ever wondered why drivers, real racing drivers (not some potbellied mid-age journalist) are happy when their team finds the sweet spot on the car, which helps them perform better?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Yes, puncture the front left. Then it would be a handful and give a lot of "fun" to some people.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Exactamundo. None of those cars would ever reach their limit on normal roads, not even on a track day, because owners would never push their cars to their limit even there. At normal speeds, even slightly higher speeds, nobody would ever be able to tell these cars apart. The only way these cars would ever be pushed to their limit is in competition by professional drivers. And every racing driver on this planet wants a good handling car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
I still have to get my head around the idea of a difficult-to-handle car being more "fun" or having more "zing". Probably Clarkson should just accept he is a sucker for whatever comes out of Maranello.
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Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
Confused :p :uhoh:
I'll look forward to seeing Atkinson; I was getting interested in English history at school when a local public TV station started to air The Black Adder (along with The Prisoner, The Young Ones and Alexi Sayle).
Rowan Atkinson will be fast! It's strange that he has never been on before.
Nope but I've driven an early 90s Toyota MR2 in a wet, empty car park :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Remember when Jacques Villeneuve used to have massive shunts at Eau Rouge in qualy and came out smiling, just because he wanted to prove to Jock Clear et al that he could take the corner flat out.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
But is racing is different to car ownership. The relationship between man and machine is different to racing, is it not? Even Jason Plato (BTCC) and Tiff Needel (ex racer - F1 reject, endurance racer) looked down on the McLaren.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
For mere mortals there's the thrill factor when you need a change of underwear. Those with sense want to understand how 'tame' the car via tuition or practice in the right circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Like I said, "real" racing drivers. :p Besides that might be the one of the reasons why Villeneuve isn't in F1 right now. Also, I don't get how that is relevant. That wasn't a guy being passionate about his car, that was his freakin huge ego costing his team money and inconvenience.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Like I said in my earlier post, regular folks like us would never be able to get a supercar to the limit on normal roads to know the difference, EVER. That MAY BE possible at a track day, but they'd be afraid to wreck it. Probably only the folks who have money to throw, like millionaires or billionaires, would do it. So, we're really talking about a really small group here. Also, not all billionaires t necessarily have to be good drivers. There are also morons.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
At one of the tracks in India where I took part in the national karting championship, Mr. Vijay Mallya was the guest of honor. Before the race he uncovered his brand spanking new Porsche Carrera GT, wore an Arai helmet, squeezed his fat ass into Alpinestars racing overalls, got buckled up and everything, wanted to showboat, there was applause when he started the engine, he accelerated and then drove it straight into the wall wrecking the half a million dollar supercar.
Clarkson, Plato and Needell can all say what they want to, I still am free to make up my mind. Probably Mclaren didn't pay them enough marketing money. :p And I would still prefer the Mclaren because of the way it looks, sounds and what was said about it. A sweet handling supercar is my dream car, but well, us mere mortals can only dream. :D If you've ever struggled with an ill handling car during a race, you'd know what I'm talking about. And mind you, the Mclaren at full throttle would also need 'taming'. It's not like the car suddenly has 200% grip and you just turn at 200 mph without braking. But the best part about that car is you would have full confidence going into a corner, because you know exactly what the car is capable of. I have never met anybody in my life who just "loves" catching understeer or oversteer.
Fair enough, cars are subjective thing after all.
Judging the quality of car journalism surely it reflects on the majority of readership/viewers and potential owners that having a car that's quick and easy to drive just isn't enough.
One thing I will agree on is Viijay Mallya. Around the same time he brought out Spyker he used to drive round Northampton in his Ferrari 430 and revving the thing in stop/start traffic. 2@-ish behaviour but difficult not to enjoy NA Fezza!
Mallya is a freakin showboat, and a crazy party freak as can be seen from his lavish parties in India and the yearly bash at Monaco on his yacht. Although, if I was a billionaire like him, I'd party hard too. :D One thing you've got to admire is his taste in cars. Saw him drive a bloody Jaguar XJR-15 and a Porsche Spyder 550 among others.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Thought last sundays episode was really good as it was actually about cars! Love it when they do stuff like buy second hand cars for the price of a new car, not that i would go out and buy a V12 lol
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonPotato
I never buy new cars as you get sooo much more for your money with a 50k mile luxury car as opposed to some new model.
Motorbikes are different though. Always like to own them from new :D
As an example, a 1.4 Ford Fusion is £14.5k.
For 2 grand less, you can have a fully loaded 09 CLK with 50k on the clock. I know which will be worth more in 3 years time.
2009 MERCEDES-BENZ CLK 2100 cc 220 CDi Avantgarde 2dr Tip Auto
(Did a quick check. 3 year old Fordsstart at £4k while 5 year old CLK's start at £7.5k)
Running costs of a Merc will be astronomical though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
I think buying a new car only works if you're going to keep it forever, otherwise you're merely paying the depreciation so someone else can have a nice car.
I just wouldn't go near a new car, i don't see the point. I would rather spend under 10k on and older car and do something with it. I am only 20 but i will get one of these when i can afford to insure them. May sound strange but give me one of these over a Lambo/Ferrari any day!
MERCEDES-BENZ 190E 2.3 16 COSWORTH
1994 BMW M5 e34
Really? I have recently got rid of my CLK Rag Top. The one I quoted does 40+ combined and from personal experience, apart from servicing, I paid for one headlamp bulb in 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
About £3 if I remember. RIPOFF!!!!!!!!
Lots of Jaguars this week. This is a good thing.
Jags are crap though.
Good episode so far :)
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Originally Posted by Daniel
on to the ignore list.
My last Merc C class 220 d,cost me apart from servicing which I did myself,£9 for a lower ball joint,£112 for 4 tyres,and wiper blades (3) at £5 ,in 15 years of use from new in 95 to selling two months ago,over 35K miles.Don't call that expensive at all
You only replaced your wiper blades 3 times in 15 years? Do you live in a desert with no insects in the air?Quote:
Originally Posted by driveace
I'm staggered at how few miles cars in the UK seem to accumulate.Quote:
Originally Posted by driveace
Rowan Atkinson did not disappoint, both as a guest and with his lap time.
What did everyone think of the GTR? It really was rapid during testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
Nice lap by Mr bean. So controlled and a lesson in how to drive a tight track correctly. (My mistake about the GT. It was a Falcon now I remember it in Pastle blue. Toooo many cars.)
I liked it, they'd be one of the first cars I'd buy if I somehow won the EuromillionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Retro Formula 1
Rowan Atkinson was one of the best guests they've had in a while
I'd buy the XKR everytime over the GTR.
To quote Tom Cruise..... Why would you do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Whenever I see an XKR I always get a tingling sensation. The Nissan, whilst I appreciate that it is technically a better car, just doesn't make me tingle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
With the extra money you'd spend on the XKR, you could instead spend it on making the GTR into a complete beastQuote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Nissan = £72000
Jaguar = £97000
Then upgrade to a spec like this:
Switzer e900 GTR Ethanol Powered Supercar: Driven
Yes but if you step out in that you'll look a bellend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain VXR
You're missing the point. That still doesn't make me tingle. I'd rather have a standard XKR for £75k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain VXR
Also, why did Clarkson even compare the XKR-S with the GTR and not the equivalent Aston, Porsche or Audi?
Back when Jaguar and Aston were both owned by Ford, Clarkson used to always complain that the XK's were watered down as to not take sales from Astons.
Not to be funny, but the tingling seems to be more related to the badge. Why not put the badge on the Nissan and have the best of both worlds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
When looked at in the flesh I've always found the 2nd generation XK to be one of the fittest cars currently made. In my opinion the Nissan looks like AIDS. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
When looked at in the flesh I've always found the 2nd generation XK to be one of the fittest cars currently made. In my opinion the Nissan looks like AIDS. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I agree somewhat. Whilst the GTR isn't a looker, the Jag isn't exactly that great. You can see that it's a DB9 ripoff with an E type style nose grafted on and a bit of Jaguarness added. Tbh it looks pretty unresolved to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
All current Astons and the last two XK's have all been DB7 ripoffs. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel