Fuel issue- No penalty for BMW/Williams- McLaren to appeal

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Originally Posted by markabilly

So you and benie acTually agree with what BE said today:

"I was campaigning for them not to take points from drivers,"

"Max was probably right, actually. If the team had an advantage, therefore the drivers had an advantage. And should they have an advantage? The answer is no.

"He is right on the regulations. The regulations say if the car loses points, the driver loses points as well."

:D :s mokin:

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That decision really pushed this season into the sinkhole. In 2005, when BAR got DQed for running underweight, there was no indication that Button and Sato knew anything about it, but they lost their points from Imola as well. Bernie was pooping his panties with the knowledge that losing all the points from the Stepney races would kill the McLaren drivers' chances at the WDC then and there, leaving an estimated 12 viewers worldwide for the remaining races of the season.

So expediency replaced doing the correct thing, leaving us with a further mess today and the whole reputation of F1 in jeopardy. Nice job, guys..... :\

ClarkFan

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Well they got what they started---a big mess all as a result of RD and his "equality" policy cost them....say what you will, if they had gone with experience instead of potential and "equality", then they would have a wdc right now...probably two races ago

Instead Freddie found himself semi-number two/one---and LH made a big stink at the Monaco and got his way...then we had the pit stop in Qualifying, with another big stink by LH which began when he disobeyed his orders like a spoiled brat, and poppa mouthed off.....Put the pole back to FA and he wins or finishes second....weeelll now...

Then today, the story is Mac has already has a WDC....instead, Freddie gets mad and does his blackmail number...maxie gets the call, and 100 million dollars later.....

Blame Freddie all you want, but it was the actions of LH that started the brouhahaha, first at Monaco and then later about the paddle/pit...leave that out of the picture and Mac has a wdc AND MAYBE the WCC, plus maybe an extra 100 million in its pockets

Freeddie may be a psycho, but MAc hired him, and then let LH throw the lit match on the gasoline...the rest is history..... :s mokin:

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You talk much pish.. What u smokin?

I found fuel warmer easy installed to the customer car or bike and I don't think such additional instrument would be a problem to be implemented in F1 car, needn't have performed infraction on the rules. They may get the fuel at higher temperature not by intention but for the hotter temperature of environment of the track in Brazil.

So no fine would be borne by the BMW ;)

The ironic thing is that McLaren are now relying on the opposite of the decisions against them happening to BMW and Williams.

The team were disqualified from the WCC yet the drivers escaped punishment. Hamilton used too many tyres yet the team were punished and the driver let off because it was an "honest mistake".

Now McLaren want the the BMW and Williams drivers disqualified for an infraction on the team's part. Why should the BMW and Williams drivers be treated any differently from your own Mr Dennis?

they are just using the last escape route to give Hamilton the Title. if Hamilton didn't choke in the past couple races, he'dve won, but Kimi was cool and took it to the Macs and he earned the title, no way should the courts take it away from him

I'm not sure how Ron Dennis could have gotten Hamilton to be a #2 to Alonso, to the point that he could have helped Alonso be WDC. Especially when Hamilton proved to be quicker and racier than Alonso on more than a few occasions. Unlike Kimi or Felipe, certain people are making me think that Alonso needed to be carried in order to accomplish the mission. Interesting...

The winningest driver won the WDC, and that seems fine and right. The most promising driver (IMO) came in 2nd. And the more emotionally fragile driver is likely on his way back to his old team... and my company will have to pony up a greater amount of sponsor cash to support his Kleenex habit.

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Originally Posted by harvick#1

they are just using the last escape route to give Hamilton the Title. if Hamilton didn't choke in the past couple races, he'dve won, but Kimi was cool and took it to the Macs and he earned the title, no way should the courts take it away from him

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Thats exactly why the courts would take it away from him. Courts don't like people that get things done on their own. Courts like people that need courts to get things done for them. If everybody took care of themselves properly, then someone might figure out we don't need all these courts.

Can't have that, can we?

The problem with cool fuel has to do with a principle of thermodynamics. If the temperature of the intake mixture is lowered and the exhaust temperature remains the same, then the horsepower goes up. So the teams running with cold gas had a technical advantage over those that did not.

The stewards decision not to penalize BMW and Williams was simply to avoid more @%$# because the pile has gotten too deep this year and the septic tank is full. Looks like breaking the rules is OK, for some anyway.

F1 Ass Co.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

When you look through all that has happened this season, and even what happened in this last race, one has to suspect that McLaren means dysfunctional.

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I thought KR's slap at Maclaren during his post race interview was quite telling. Must be a horrible place to work.

DISQUALIFY THEM! They're outside the regulations so it's not the McLaren's who are the cheats. The decision not to penalise them is the injustice. Then again maybe I'm just one sided and angry :(