27th Kennards Hire Rally Australia 2018 • 15-18 November

They're playing mind games probably.

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

10% more power and torque

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lol...

nice one kid.

Probably the amount of torque available in the "sweet spots", That kind of increse would probably go against the rules. Just what Toyota did before Finland.

i was referirng to what was said in the article, I didnt make it up

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

i was referirng to what was said in the article, I didnt make it up

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why did you feel the need to report on such a stupid claim ??? 10% is about 35hp more... for the current cars, or even more.

One giggigalli1 is enough in here...

10% gain of course can't be true.
and theoretically if it would be truth it will only mean their previous spec engine was weak.

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Originally Posted by dupanton

Loeb says:
- He was impressed with Tanak this season, but he also says that Toyota had clearly the fastest car.
- Neuville is less talented then Ogier, but worked very hard to get where he is now
- Title fight might go on untill the powerstage
- He and Ogier get along very well.
- For next year they are working on a project with a private team in WRX

That are the most important things I think.

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Maybe one more:
-he finds the best way to solve 1st leg runing order issues is to use qualifying stage again.

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Originally Posted by AL14

Neuville's talent is remarkable but you are understimating Ogier's talent. He went fast into WRC by winning and then he challenged a man who was pretty much unchallenged for years before him with the same car. After that he totally dominated WRC driving in a class of his own for 4 years. And then again he won another WDC with a private team with less means then others manufacturers that have not been able to become champions for 20 years.

What has done Neuville to have more talent or the same talent than him?

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For me there is difference between "talent" and "skill". "Talent" is what you have from the "start" of your career. Current "skill" is talent+driver development+experience.
Ogier is without a doubt more "skilled" than Neuville and has been for last 4-5 years.

But if we are comparing talent then by looking at first 2 years in WRC, Neuville and Ogier are quite comparable. On the other hand while currently Ogier and Tanak seem to be on similar (not same) skill level. I would never say Tanak had same "talent" from the start. With Neuville it's different, imo he had about same amount of "talent" as Ogier in his 1-2 seasons. Then he learned and developed slower than Ogier, but in the end now he is on similar level (not same).
All I can read is the simplified/translated quote:

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- Neuville is less talented then Ogier, but worked very hard to get where he is now

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Depending on the exact wording it might be that Loeb meant "starting" talent +ability to develop in that article. In that case I totally agree with him. If he meant the ability to drive fast in first rallies in WRC, then it's not so decisive difference for me.


@er88, 99% of what you wrote is what I call "skill" here, not talent and not much of the ability to develop.

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Originally Posted by br21

10% gain of course can't be true.
and theoretically if it would be truth it will only mean their previous spec engine was weak.

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Pretty much impossible to be true unless they chose a certain point on the power and torque curve where the increase is the highest and not the peaks (let's say they could reach +10% power at 3000 rpm and +2% at 6000 rpm but for better PR effect chose the first value). Even then it doesn't sound very realistic to me.

Engine upgrade would have to be listed in the homologations I guess. In the latest list on FIA site there is nothing after Spain:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/fi...12.10.2018.pdf