Facts are facts....except for those on the left. For them facts are things that back up their beliefs no matter if true or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
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Facts are facts....except for those on the left. For them facts are things that back up their beliefs no matter if true or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Since when did figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics become a "left wing source"??? Doing a bad imitation of Michele Bachmann just causes people to not take a fellow seriously, Anthony. If every statistical fact that you don't like must be denied, and somehow feeds into some kind of dopey, half-thought out conspiracy theory, well... people will just think you're kind of goofy. Ya know? :dozey:
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Jobs Created in Thousands President Political Party
8,592 Jimmy Carter Democrat
*To read additional information, click on United States Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Political Party QuizQuote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
The Left.... on which axis?
I come out on all sorts of test as being being both extremely left and extremely right if more than one axis is involved.
If you insist on using such a glib coverall term, please define it.
Facts are facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
But silly people saying "You're wrong. Try again" is not a fact. It is an assertion..and without anything to back up an assertion it is useless.
And you arguing about Carter is not on topic. They are off topic.
rules are rules and
Recently we saw this:
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pino http://www.motorsportforums.com/imag...ser-online.png Moderator http://www.motorsportforums.com/avat...ine=1308475491 Join DateJan 2002LocationSanremo ItalyPosts23,907
:p aper:Just a note to everyone :
From now on all off-topic or personal comments will be punished with a month ban !
See you in a month.. :imubash: if of course Pino applies his warnings fairly.
Now, back to 2012 presidential Elections.
It seems Willard thinks everybody has as poor a memory as he has.. Not being very original or creative--or knowing his base can't remember last week much less 4 years ago, or 30 years ago, he's recycling Reagans
Are you better off now than....."
Well my creaky memory says the US was losing 700,000 per month when Obama took office.
And I'd have to look, but I think the Dow-Jones was January 18, 2008 ......12,099.30 and now its September 7, 2012.....13,306.64
Now individually a lost job or not finding a good one is rough so the question "are YOU better off" is probably the wrong question. Maybe its like a soldier in a fox-hole on a front 1000 miles long. He may in a quiet sector and just comfy as can be.. or he may be under heavy artillery fire and know he's in a world of sheeet. But the simplistic question "well Private, are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?" may not be the question that is going to answer if THE WHOLE ARMY is going to win, and then he gets to survive.
So ain't losing 700,000 jobs a month.. Ain't as good as it could be but regardless of where you stand we cannot forget what McConnel said about their only goal is make sure Obabma is out of work in Jan 2013, that obstruction has been overt, obstruction of almost any and any proposal the tea-Bagger infected Rebublicans themselves didn't draft.
And obstruction of proposals in fact that are identical to their own proposal as the Obamacare was drafted by the same person as worked for Romney in Massachusetts, and that was the same guy who drafted the 1994 Republican plan.
It was OK in 1994 when it was Republican Plan
It was OK when it was Romneys plan
Same plan is totalitarian when the title page has somebody elses' name on it..
So are you better off?
I'm not.
Are WE better off?
I don't know.
But I do know returning those who let their close friends and relations gorge themselves into delirium to the point that they had brought the entire financial system to within hours of collapse isn't an option.
And while Obama has a lot of friends amongst the savages of Wall Street, he knows there is another side to the world.
One of the problems with getting into a debate with anthonyvop is that he never says things like "I see your point but..." or "That's a fair point" or "Yes, well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one". He only seems to debate with people he completely disagrees with, and gives the impression that he thinks they are total idiots (gives the impression to me, anyway). There's another Republican party supporter on here who often does that too. Not sure if that's a pattern.
I try to follow donkey jote's advice of "never argue with a fool, other people won't know the difference", which makes me wonder why anthonyvop bothers to debate points with people whose viewpoint he has no respect for. So, it's a pity, 'cause he's most likely someone who you could sit down and have a beer with. So it goes...
Well for Vop isn't it obvious? Anybody to the left of Ghengis Kahn is a filthy dirty socialist and deserves to dieQuote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
But again this is veering off topic...Presidential Elections mmmm-kay?
How about the 1978 Airline Deregulation Act, or the 1980 Motor Carrier Act or the 1980 Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Those three acts deregulated the Airlines, the Trucking Industry and the Finance Industry.
You should like all of those.
And all those things went to hell with catastrophic losses for millions, yeah deregulation, Great!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
Well I know this and you know this, but deregulation is a free-market policy. The lifting of regulation to a laissez-faire position is rightist by definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
From Mr Vop's point of view, the removal of regulation must be a good thing because it must have encouraged greater efficiencies in those industries.
Just be thankful AVop hasn't been posting the race-baiting rhetoric that got the entire off topic section of specialstage.com shut down during the last election because no one had the balls to ban him.
Romney spent the weekend moving back to the center, particularly on health care. On one hand pledging to repeal 'Obamacare' and on the other saying he wants to keep key provisions such as protecting people from 'preexisting condition' clauses and allowing children to stay on parents' plans well into their 20s.
The President got a bear hug from a registered Republican.
Obama gets airborne bear hug - YouTube