Pirelli defend tyres after Schumacher blast

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

What KERS fiasco?

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In 2009 it proved to be less efficient than initially thought. All four teams, who had opted to develop and install KERS for 2009 (McLaren, Ferrari, BMW, Renault) were struggling in midfield in the beginning of the season. Needless to say, those teams happened to lock out the whole Top4 in WCC in previous year! McLaren and Ferrari improved later in the season, BMW improved only after they had ditched KERS. So although much of McLaren's troubles were put down on aerodynamics, it was easy to conclude that opting for KERS significantly hindered the progress of factory teams that year.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Schuey just needs to try a bit harder and live up to his reputation as being able to adapt to any car. He had a legendary status after he retired that was repeated alot here regarding his adaptation abilities. Four 'idoitic' (hilarious term) tyres should be easy to overcome surely?

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The Schue is on the other foot now though. When the German Baron first burst onto the scenes he was amazing and unpredictable. People called him dangerous but those people preferred the Prost type of racing to the creativity of Senna.

Then he became bloated on preferential machinery and 'creative' governance from the FIA. An aura was built around him that he may have deserved in his former years but flattered him in his latter life before FR (first retirement).

Now we see a driver who cannot hold a candle to a young gun who, lets be fair, is not top flight. Nico is a good peddler but no Hammy or Alonso.

In the ole days, ioan would have waxed lyrical about how Schumacher could have taken a Minardi and won races with it. Pfffff!!! Yet again, a hard taste of reality for Mr Armchair Expert. We are seeing the end of a great but terrible Champion who is wasting a seat in F1 the same as Massa is.

Last orders at the Ferrari Old Guard me thinks.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Indeed :up: I think it is probably safe to exclude Caterham, Marussia & HRT from the list of possible winners but other than that who knows :crazy:

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Haha :D

I think that is a safe bet! Although it would make my day if one of those teams finished a race tenth and scored one driver point, just so they can boast to the other two teams about the one point they scored :laugh:

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Originally Posted by henners88

Now the engines are more reliable and lucky wins are now decided through the use of tyres rather than a Jordan or a Stewart inheriting the lead due to a McLaren or Ferrari blowing its top or crashing into each other. Nobody used to moan about that.

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Because its one of the cliches of motorsport: to finish first, first you must finish.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Schuey just needs to try a bit harder and live up to his reputation as being able to adapt to any car. He had a legendary status after he retired that was repeated alot here regarding his adaptation abilities. Four 'idoitic' (hilarious term) tyres should be easy to overcome surely?

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He's past his best. Not the first nor the last to be humbled. Some people thought Barrichello's time came too soon yet he was beaten by a pay driver.

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Originally Posted by jens

In 2009 it proved to be less efficient than initially thought. All four teams, who had opted to develop and install KERS for 2009 (McLaren, Ferrari, BMW, Renault) were struggling in midfield in the beginning of the season. Needless to say, those teams happened to lock out the whole Top4 in WCC in previous year! McLaren and Ferrari improved later in the season, BMW improved only after they had ditched KERS. So although much of McLaren's troubles were put down on aerodynamics, it was easy to conclude that opting for KERS significantly hindered the progress of factory teams that year.

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Depend' on one's view. Some teams thought it was a hindrance to car development whereas McLaren and Ferrari made an effort to optimise KERS with the former and with the latter optimising the package via reducing weight.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Williams [...] have never made top cars. Suddenly gaining a second overnight going into the Spanish GP at Catalunya - the greatest test on a car's aero. I find it too good to be true.

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Seriously? I must have imagined all those championships and race wins. :s

As others have said, Williams have shown genuine pace this season, the win in Spain was earned on merit.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

In the ole days, ioan would have waxed lyrical about how Schumacher could have taken a Minardi and won races with it. Pfffff!!!

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Nowadays he'd moan that Minardi only won because of a tyre lottery!

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Originally Posted by tfp

Haha :D

I think that is a safe bet! Although it would make my day if one of those teams finished a race tenth and scored one driver point, just so they can boast to the other two teams about the one point they scored :laugh:

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Even if they don't score a point, the race for 10th place in the constructors could be won in Monaco, given the likelihood of a high number of retirements. If Caterham or HRT can beat Glock's 14th place from Australia they'll take the 10th place in the WCC, and it could easily stand to the end of the season. There is serious money at stake there, more than just boasting rights that's for sure :) so it's an important weekend for the bottom 3 teams.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Seriously? I must have imagined all those championships and race wins. :s

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When was the last time have they won a championship? Eight years winless streak with. Yep, Williams are winners....

Sam Michaels saw Williams last win and the cars went downhill under his reign as Technical Director.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

As others have said, Williams have shown genuine pace this season, the win in Spain was earned on merit.

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Define genuine pace. Alonso - arguably F1's most complete driver can't get his head round on that concept. He doesn't know if Ferrari made genuine gains or tyre lottery.

But still you say that you enjoyed the races, wedge, and this is the important thing. You said that sport is boring, but this year proves that it must not be so. Maybe it is not "pure', but I don't believe in "pureness" and even if I believed "fun and exciting" is better than "pure and boring" IMO.

I doubt I'm saying anything new here but to me the main reason for not having a problem with the tyres is the fact that all teams have to deal with them. So from the competition side of things no harm done.
The race are unpredictable but overall it looks like business as usual to me. It's Bieber and Alonso on top of the standings not Maldonado and Perez. And Schumi is the same average driver he always was :laugh: .