That too. Might be a bit nuanced for Tony to grasp, though. It's just word association with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
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That too. Might be a bit nuanced for Tony to grasp, though. It's just word association with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
How smart to compare war with peaceful times.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
What about 2011 Europe vs 2011 USA? Doesn't quite float your boat, eh?
By the way, can you imagine any European being so silly as to attempt to argue that the US is a violent society using images of the Civil War? This is the equivalent of what Tony is seeking to do here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
(Oh, and Tony — I look forward to your predictably witless response of 'yes'.)
The Nuance is that more people have been murdered under the specter of restrictive gun control laws in Europe than all those killed by guns owned by private citizens in the USA. I guess I was too subtle.....Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
And once again I will point out that I reject any notion that people like you can restrict my right to defend myself, my family, my friends and my property as I see fit. My mere possession of a firearm doesn't violate anyone else right so you have nobody else has the right to restrict it.
So this discussion is over which releases you to tell other people how they can live their lives.
another fine example of google ads
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google must think I'm a completely different person based on my texan ip :laugh:
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Originally Posted by Eki
Those photos show what can happen when guns are taken from law abiding citizens. Here in the US criminals will have guns regardless. Why should be take guns from those that legally own them and use them much more often to stop crime than to commit a crime?
As I've shown earlier in the thread, if anyone actually looks at the FBI database information the vast majority of gun related murders in the US are thugs on thugs, mostly in inner cities, and very rarely legal gun owners.
Well hopefully soon the Castle Doctrine will be a federal statute and we can work on more laws for decent citizens - Like the 20 ft rule - you guys are smart enough to figure that one out. I would hope it has changed now but I recall not two long ago I arrived at CDG airport and there were signs everywhere warning you about pick pockets and bag thieves. Walking between terminals was a hassle. I don't think we have any airports like that. I have heard now that parts of France are becoming violent with some robberies. That is a problem we have here in many areas and if people carried more and the laws were just we could really square that away soon. I hear you can walk down any street any hour in Singapore and feel safe. That is probably the way it should be worldwide. Whoa are we all fzuked up or what. Ask your Bama Boy JanVan how he likes walking around in Bell town at 2.30 am
In the Finnish civil war, both in the Red Guard dominated and in the White Guard dominated areas, guard patrols went from house to house confiscating weapons from people they considered unreliable or being on the opposite side. If you're alone against 10 or so white/red guardsmen, I'm sure there's not much you can do except a suicide even if you have a legal gun. Oh, and the White Guard and the Red Guard were both voluntary militias in the beginning, only later the White Guard became a part of the government forces.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
That proves, that it's mainly thugs that need guns to protect them. Legal gun owners would be safe even without their guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
No, Tony. In other countries you have to obey the laws of the land in which you find yourself, not those you believe should be in place. (This, of course, is predicated on the notion that the incident to which I refer actually happened, and I don't think for a moment it did.)Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop