Sebastien Ogier

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Originally Posted by alleskids

can you proove that Latvalla's mechanical issues were only caused by drivier mistakes or Latvalla's driving style? Did you have access to the log book of the Ford team of Latvalla cars, can you point out all the mechanical issiues on the Ford cars? Remember, never make assumption on this forum, only come with real facts!!!

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All Jari-Matti Latvala's major crashes - YouTube

bye bye...thank you.

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Originally Posted by whereschris

I can't really remember but hasn't Latvala been really unlucky this season? I can remember the pace note error but otherwise it's been a lot of mechanical stuff. Has he crashed out of the running on any other events this year?

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He had very bad luck in argentina, he deserved to win that rally way more than anyone else, then he hit a big stone that diddnt look as if it should have been there, right in the middle of the road...but lets not get into that argument again :D

Ford would have no breakthrough with Ogier. It would just prove beyond any doubt that the Fiesta engine is embarrassingly underpowered. And for the same reason Ogier will not even consider a move to Ford. These are obvious facts to all but a few forum-bugs. Ogier in a Fiesta would certainly be the most interesting experiment, but we will not see that.

It's clear that Latvala has improved alot on driver consistency. Though both him and Mikko are forced to take more risks to keep pace. But if you can't see Latvala has become a lot smarter driver you are simply blind over numbers.

The fact is with such a huge performance deficit, it's hard to compare the skills. But imo Latvala is the fastest driver of all on gravel. Which we will all witness in a Polo in 2013.

Yeah, that's why Loeb is a champ last 7 seasons. :D

I hope Ogier does well for the rest of the year and does not go like Petter, Marcus & Mikko who had a dip year after taking the fight to Loeb. Go Ogier!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by bretddog

Ford would have no breakthrough with Ogier. It would just prove beyond any doubt that the Fiesta engine is embarrassingly underpowered. And for the same reason Ogier will not even consider a move to Ford. These are obvious facts to all but a few forum-bugs. Ogier in a Fiesta would certainly be the most interesting experiment, but we will not see that.

It's clear that Latvala has improved alot on driver consistency. Though both him and Mikko are forced to take more risks to keep pace. But if you can't see Latvala has become a lot smarter driver you are simply blind over numbers.

The fact is with such a huge performance deficit, it's hard to compare the skills. But imo Latvala is the fastest driver of all on gravel. Which we will all witness in a Polo in 2013.

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Agree with this, the first part anyway... Although JML at VW? I think MW would sooner chain him to the gates at M sport than let him leave for VW :)

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Originally Posted by Barreis

Yeah, that's why Loeb is a champ last 7 seasons. :D

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I think maybe he was referring to this year and last year, rather than the last 7 seasons :)
Anyways, without JML, who would Loeb use as a road sweeper? :D

Oh yeah, I forgot, Ogier :laugh:

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Originally Posted by bretddog

Ford would have no breakthrough with Ogier. It would just prove beyond any doubt that the Fiesta engine is embarrassingly underpowered. And for the same reason Ogier will not even consider a move to Ford. These are obvious facts to all but a few forum-bugs. Ogier in a Fiesta would certainly be the most interesting experiment, but we will not see that.

It's clear that Latvala has improved alot on driver consistency. Though both him and Mikko are forced to take more risks to keep pace. But if you can't see Latvala has become a lot smarter driver you are simply blind over numbers.

The fact is with such a huge performance deficit, it's hard to compare the skills. But imo Latvala is the fastest driver of all on gravel. Which we will all witness in a Polo in 2013.

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Really the Fiesta has a underpowered engine? I mean that would put Citroen drivers to shame..since there has been close battles...and the fastest man in Finland was Mikko were engine power matters alot. Is Citroen a better packade? Yes but to blame the Fiesta seems cheap. The drivers have not delivered the goods. That is my assessment anyway.

No, in Finland the engine power doesn't matter that much. You can clearly see that on S2000 drivers. They were never so close with WRC cars like in Finland and Sweden (in NORF till the battle of Hänninen and Tänak continued). Since the rules for S2000 and WRC are absolutely same except engine, wing and few other details, the difference in speed of these two classes is by 90% done by engine. You can simply see where the engine matters how much just from difference in times between S2000 and WRC.

It's just a myth that the faster rally, the more engine matters. In fact the more acceleration from slow corners (hairpins, junctions etc.), the more the engine matters.

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Originally Posted by Sladden

Really the Fiesta has a underpowered engine? I mean that would put Citroen drivers to shame..since there has been close battles...and the fastest man in Finland was Mikko were engine power matters alot. Is Citroen a better packade? Yes but to blame the Fiesta seems cheap. The drivers have not delivered the goods. That is my assessment anyway.

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Put Citroen drivers to shame? You mean they have to accept that it's not true they are the fastest drivers in every single WRC rally in the season? Oh, you mean since they have to accept that a Finn under equal equipment would be faster than them in Finland? hmm..

Basic physics has that fast corners or very lose surface makes the engine a much less critical factor. And that's the only times Ford shows some dull shine of hope.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

No, in Finland the engine power doesn't matter that much. You can clearly see that on S2000 drivers. They were never so close with WRC cars like in Finland and Sweden (in NORF till the battle of Hänninen and Tänak continued). Since the rules for S2000 and WRC are absolutely same except engine, wing and few other details, the difference in speed of these two classes is by 90% done by engine. You can simply see where the engine matters how much just from difference in times between S2000 and WRC.

It's just a myth that the faster rally, the more engine matters. In fact the more acceleration from slow corners (hairpins, junctions etc.), the more the engine matters.

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I dont agree. Acceleration from junctions comes in low gears and power is less matters. Fast roads makes you drive on high gears and if power doesnt count in fast speed driving with 5 th and 6 th gear, then I dont know what matters anyway!