Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Whatever. You've hated Lewis Hamilton since he made his way into F1 in 2007 and was able to match Alonso at McLaren.

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This is the case with a lot of people. They couldn't fathom why their Golden boy Alonso was being embarrassed on track by a rooke. I take no more notice of it really.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Unlike some, I ain't a fanboy, but I don't hate nobody either, dude

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You're always critical of the kid. When he does well, you take a leak on his achievements, and when he does poorly you tear him from limb to limb. Just my opinion from the posts you've made over the years.

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're getting to much into Hamilton mode there! :D

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Nah! :)

Interesting thread

What amazes me is that the Shoe shoves his car down the inside at the Leowes hairpin, and on the two occasions he did this, the two guys he is passing have the intelligence to avoid contact; Hamilton & Rosberg.

Lewis puts a move on the Shoe at the first corner, and the Shoe has the intelligence not to turn in...

Massa is under pressure as we all know, so turned in and accelerated - to the extent that he drove into Webber!!! Mind you, Massa went on to do the tunnel a la Alonso/Ralf....

Then, Maldonado, who up to this point was having a great race - Hamilton puts the exact same move on him that he did with the Shoe - only this time Maldonado turns in on Hamilton, who has to take to the kurb to avoid ending his race.

In the two examples involving Hamilton, a penalty is given.

Now, with Massa exiting the pits in Q3, Lewis was starting a hot lap, he got held up by Massa until Casino. Now, cast your minds back to Alonso in the Renault at Monza qualifying? This time Massa was much closer to the car behind and clearly held him up....

It is very easy to understand Lewis's frustration. He was driving very aggressively, and made some great passes. He definately makes F1 entertaining.

It is also interesting the comparisons some on here have drawn to Senna - if I were Lewis, I'd take that as a compliment.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Interesting thread

What amazes me is that the Shoe shoves his car down the inside at the Leowes hairpin, and on the two occasions he did this, the two guys he is passing have the intelligence to avoid contact; Hamilton & Rosberg.

Lewis puts a move on the Shoe at the first corner, and the Shoe has the intelligence not to turn in...

Massa is under pressure as we all know, so turned in and accelerated - to the extent that he drove into Webber!!!

Then, Maldonado, who up to this point was having a great race - Hamilton puts the exact same move on him that he did with the Shoe - only this time Maldonado turns in on Hamilton, who has to take to the kurb to avoid ending his race.

In the two examples involving Hamilton, a penalty is given.

Now, with Massa exiting the pits in Q3, Lewis was starting a hot lap, he got held up by Massa until Casino. Now, cast your minds back to Alonso in the Renault at Monza qualifying? This time Massa was much closer to the car behind and clearly held him up.... Mind you, Massa went on to do the tunnel a la Alonso/Ralf....

It is very easy to understand Lewis's frustration. He was driving very aggressively, and made some great passes. He definately makes F1 entertaining.

It is also interesting the comparisons some on here have drawn to Senna - if I were Lewis, I'd take that as a compliment.

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Great post. That's exactly how I see it.

Schumacher made clean overtaking moves while Hamilton was overoptimistic and grossly misjudged both the Massa and Maldonado overtakes, and he got lucky with MS remembering the Petrov misfortune so he decided to leave more space and try to salvage his own race.

Or why do you think that Lewis got 2 penalties from the stewards, because of his skin color?

As for Q3 what was Massa supposed to do? Evaporate?! This is Monaco and **** happens and Lewis has managed to bury himself in it up to his nose.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

I still wonder about how everyone got so wrecked out on the accident that stopped the race

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The Torro Rosso driver was not paying attention to the two cars in front - one of which only had three intact wheels and had the potential to veer onto the racing line due to lack of control from said lack of right rear.....

....but don't let that cloud your opinion.

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Originally Posted by ioan

As for Q3 what was Massa supposed to do? Evaporate?! This is Monaco and **** happens and Lewis has managed to bury himself in it up to his nose.

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If his team were up to the task and paying attention, theyd've informed Massa who could easily of held back on the pit exit to allow the McLaren to go by on the racing line....

Skin colour should not be a factor ioan, sadly, reality throughout all walks of life tells a very different story.

look at this way - MS hit Hamilton at the start, then put a cheeky pass on him, only to get repassed later and then whilst tooling round well down his car died. no points.
Hamilton ran into Massa whilst he was running into Webber, they carried on for another corner or 2 and Massa ended up in the wall whilst Hamilton "escaped with a drive through, Massa no points.
Hamilton gets hit up the ass by Alguesari, Algie ends in the wall, prompts a saftey car and Hamilton escapes with a broken rear wing, which is fixed uner red flag conditions. Algie, no points.
Hamilton ran into an impressive Maldanado, whilst up and over the kerb, taking out bollards and leaving Pastor in the wall. gets a retrospective 20 secs penalty. Maldanado no points, Hamilton no loss of position.

End of race, Hamilton started 9th, had a drive through, a 20 second penalty, repairs during the red flag and still finished 6th. Some points. All in i think he's been very lucky to come away with anything, given the amount of incidents and penalties he managed to get involved in, to actually improve his position round Monaco, in spite of the incidents is miraculously lucky IMO

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

If his team were up to the task and paying attention, theyd've informed Massa who could easily of held back on the pit exit to allow the McLaren to go by on the racing line....

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If it was any other track Massa would have been able to let him by, Monaco is not that wide. Everyone dealt with it minus Hamilton.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Skin colour should not be a factor ioan, sadly, reality throughout all walks of life tells a very different story.

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C'mon this is a thing of past nothing to do with 21st century in the civilized world.

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Originally Posted by Robinho

look at this way - MS hit Hamilton at the start, then put a cheeky pass on him, only to get repassed later and then whilst tooling round well down his car died. no points.
Hamilton ran into Massa whilst he was running into Webber, they carried on for another corner or 2 and Massa ended up in the wall whilst Hamilton "escaped with a drive through, Massa no points.
Hamilton gets hit up the ass by Alguesari, Algie ends in the wall, prompts a saftey car and Hamilton escapes with a broken rear wing, which is fixed uner red flag conditions. Algie, no points.
Hamilton ran into an impressive Maldanado, whilst up and over the kerb, taking out bollards and leaving Pastor in the wall. gets a retrospective 20 secs penalty. Maldanado no points, Hamilton no loss of position.

End of race, Hamilton started 9th, had a drive through, a 20 second penalty, repairs during the red flag and still finished 6th. Some points. All in i think he's been very lucky to come away with anything, given the amount of incidents and penalties he managed to get involved in, to actually improve his position round Monaco, in spite of the incidents is miraculously lucky IMO

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Which means that Hamilton got of light, he should have been banned for careless driving. This is not destruction derby, it's F1 and you have to make a clean move when overtaking not punting others off the track.