Red Bull + Wings

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Perhaps a non-event , but it shows what opinion at least one of the engineers has of Webber .

He had better be quick enough in future to be worth suffering his mouth .

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I think webber has been plenty quick this year and is in the wdc title hunt lying 3rd behind the two macs

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/62...-wing-at-first-

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""I am very surprised by Mark's outburst. When he used the new front wing he complained that it didn't work much better than the old one. Mark didn't have a good feeling about the wing.
 
"However, when the team had only one left, Mark was desperate to get it despite the fact that he didn't care about it when we had two new wings.
 
"Unlike Mark, Sebastian was happy with the new wing right from the start. We believe that the team management's decision was reasoned and logical."

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With Webber now apparently backtracking and all these stories appearing - it is just making the situation look worse.

Webber is beginning to look like he does not know his own mind and is amaking fools out of those who like myself have defended him. Is this man a whimp?

As for the lighter floor for him alone? Huh? Why on earth would any team proivide a heavier floor to another driver? And at what stage does it become a rules issue?

Horner is a real BS Artist and the more he opens his mouth on this the longer his nose is getting! I have never like the look of him and this issue has only cemented my shyster view of this weak obnoxious little elf.

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Originally Posted by Saint Devote

As for the lighter floor for him alone? Huh? Why on earth would any team proivide a heavier floor to another driver? And at what stage does it become a rules issue?

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Car weights at the end of the race include the weight of a driver. As Webber weighs more than Vettel, when they gave him Vettel's old car, they could remove the difference in weight between the drivers from the car, thus ending up with an equal total car (+ driver) weight for both cars. They obviously decided this weight could come from the floor.

Overall, there is a slight disadvantage to the heavier driver (Webber in this case), as the body weight is concentrated in the cockpit, while for a lighter driver, they can spread the extra weight across the car for better balance. This, of course, depends on the overall car design.

http://www.girlracer.co.uk/motorspor...ll-racing.html

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Originally Posted by henners88

This whole thing is a complete mess and Red Bull seem to have forgotten what they have previously said.

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. Mark Webber signed his 2011 contract with redbull on Saturday night during the Turkish Grand Prix weekend, but you sat on the announcement until the middle of the following week. The statement was released at the perfect time to quash suspicions of favouritism, as the pragmatic Webber would never knowingly sign up to be a number two.

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Originally Posted by Ent

Car weights at the end of the race include the weight of a driver. As Webber weighs more than Vettel, when they gave him Vettel's old car, they could remove the difference in weight between the drivers from the car, thus ending up with an equal total car (+ driver) weight for both cars. They obviously decided this weight could come from the floor.

Overall, there is a slight disadvantage to the heavier driver (Webber in this case), as the body weight is concentrated in the cockpit, while for a lighter driver, they can spread the extra weight across the car for better balance. This, of course, depends on the overall car design.

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I know that there is a minimum weight which was increased for this year - I was thinking of the structural thing where any alteration could require a retesting. But then the floor is not part of the safety structure anyway.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Red Bull said themselves through Horner that they give the advantage to the driver who is ahead in the championship, hence the lighter floor going to.... Oh wait, thats contradictory. :eek:

This whole thing is a complete mess and Red Bull seem to have forgotten what they have previously said. First they said pre Silverstone that Webber was getting the damaged chassis Vettel used earlier in the season, then the wing fiasco. Then they said Vettel got the new wing because he is ahead of Webber on points and their policy is to give the advantage of new components to the leader etc etc.. Now they are saying Webber had a lighter chassis therefore had a weight advantage over Vettel even though he was trailing Vettel in the points??? lol

I think if Horner is struggling to understand what is going on, I can't see how Webber would be any wiser. I expect an element of backtracking from Webber because his team were not exactly open about what was going on at Silverstone and maybe there is some sense we are unaware of. Its certainly unsettled the team and is contributing to Mclaren getting a healthy lead in both championships, and as the season progresses both Mclaren and Ferrari are developing their cars and closing the gap. All three teams will have the blown diffuser and F-duct in Hockenheim, and I have a feeling Red Bull will be seething that they've blown their advantage of having by far the most superior car on the grid for the first half of the season. :)

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The ineptitude of RBR has indeed been evident since the start of the season - remember their strategy fiasco in Australia for example and they are handling this like rank amateurs.

Jense made best use of his car in 2009 while Vettel and RBR this year just shown the doubters that it is not at all easy to have a dominant car and win with it.

It also illustrates the good temperement that Hamilton had back in 2007 and definitely how vital the guidance of a good team principle is. Martin Whitmarsh is superb and it has been reflected in the Mclaren team.

Button is his first signing and I am convinced that it would not have been done if Dennis had still been at the race helm.

There is still half a season to go, and if RBR do not at least clinch the constructors title it will be remembered for a magnificent failure.

With Newey, Williams and Mclaren did not fail when their cars were in this position.

Can you please stop brining Jenson Button into everything you post. It's really boring now.

I think there is a bit of smoke and mirrors here.

Lightened floor simply means they remove some Densimet or whatever they're using these days. Basically, it's fixed to the floor to give the lowest CoG and best weight distribution depending on the drivers proportions.

Christian Horner being a bit cheeky I think.

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Originally Posted by skc

I think there is a bit of smoke and mirrors here.

Lightened floor simply means they remove some Densimet or whatever they're using these days. Basically, it's fixed to the floor to give the lowest CoG and best weight distribution depending on the drivers proportions.

Christian Horner being a bit cheeky I think.

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I'm assuming Densimet is the ballast substance?


One thing for sure, Red Bull management need to put both drivers in line and get on with it. They have no excuse to not be the 1 and 2 drivers in the WDC standings right now. I'd be reminding them why they get paid the amounts they do.