Poll on who was at fault

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Originally Posted by markabilly

dont feel bad, i voted racing incident, but at least you have more fools with you, then I have among the other two with me.... :D

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Hey, I am one of those two. And you will address me as Mr Fool or you will have your eyes plucked out :p :

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Originally Posted by markabilly

THANKS

I Looked again and WHAT DOES IT SHOW??

WEBBER TURNING HIS WHEEL TOWARD VETTEL and then the contact. It also shows that unlike Vettel, Webber had full view of the placement of his car and Vettel, as once he is in front, he can not readily see to the side, not nearly as good as Webber.

This vid shows where vettel turns his wheel slightly towards Webber, then continues straight without contact or even having webber in the view of the camera, then turning his steering away from webber as the contact is made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elpTV...eature=related

it also shows that webber forced vettel unto the white line and then moved away as though conceding the pass........

the next video at the 8 second mark as Vettel passes, webber moves his steering wheel away from vettel as though moving over, but then stops it, holds it straight as the wheels are becoming interlocked, and then turns the steering into Vettel and then the contact occurs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygMWc...eature=related

And at the 8 second mark, webber can clearly see, unlike Vettel, that the two wheels are becoming interlocked, and then right at the 9-10 second mark, he turns his steering wheel wheel into Seb, and at ten second mark to 11 second mark, the game is over, with tire smoke and all......


I take it all back when I gave ole chopper the benefit of the doubt and said racing incident.

The chopper chopped into the side of Vettel, by actually moving his steering wheel towards Vettel to ensure the contact, contact that Webber knew was likely to happen without any attempt at an evasive manuever...... :grenade:

So I take back my doubts and say:

Face guys, once again,
WEBBER IS A CHEATER CHOPPER , ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE :rotflmao: :roll: :rotflmao:

and no amount of sales revenue for Red Cow, will ever change that

Here's to you, Mr. Henners, a toast of the good stuff....but not no red bull.... :beer:

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Billy, I can see the words on the screen - but it's all just noise.....

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Originally Posted by Ari

I've watched that video... you're on drugs.

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Probably a bad batch of Kool Aid....

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

This is very interesting because this was my original opinion. However, when I reviewed the situation in its entirety, I voted otherwise. But, thanks for the honesty in your views.

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And thanks for not accusing me of not wanting a poll....

I've never denied that Vettel shared a large part of the blame. I just don't feel that it's right for a driver who's behind to just hold their line if it means having an accident, especially with a team mate. If you believe that Webber is 0% to blame then this can only mean that you think Vettel intentionally crashed into Webber on purpose which is just unthinkable.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Hey, I am one of those two. And you will address me as Mr Fool or you will have your eyes plucked out :p :

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not much loss, as i already went blind-as others around here seem to think--but what they do not know is twas from "other activities" having not anything to do with kool aid, Mr Fool. :eek:

Such an backlash, demos well the love for their hero, chopper, versus that evil german austrian empire and its driver :vader:

And anyone who does not see webbers quick flick-moving the wheel towards Vettel--and back again--- of the steering wheel into vettel such that it ensures contact a micosecond later....well...... :laugh:

Now some might say, well now, that movement was from the contact, but at the point he moves his hands, there has been no contact and the contact would have forced his steering wheel the other way, as it was only partial contact with the racing surface of both tires, not a complete overlap

Perhaps Webber's intent was to bump the outside wheels together due to anger of being passed...but it was clearly deliberate


unlike others, when wrong, I have no problem admitting same....

Thanks Henners :up:

and speaking of evil empires, all those video links are now gone, thank you, F1 management

Must be conspiring with Mr. Chopper and red bull, to keep those red bull sales from plummenting to zero.... :rotflmao:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

And thanks for not accusing me of not wanting a poll....

I've never denied that Vettel shared a large part of the blame. I just don't feel that it's right for a driver who's behind to just hold their line if it means having an accident, especially with a team mate. If you believe that Webber is 0% to blame then this can only mean that you think Vettel intentionally crashed into Webber on purpose which is just unthinkable.

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It matters not whether Vettel intended the collision or not. I am sure it was a mistake, a misjudgement or merely a loss of control.

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He caused it, therefore the blame lies with him.

A racing incident, both were to blame - Vettel slightly more so, say 55-60%. I don't believe either driver deserves greater blame.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

and speaking of evil empires, all those video links are now gone, thank you, F1 management

Must be conspiring with Mr. Chopper and red bull, to keep those red bull sales from plummenting to zero.... :rotflmao:

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Red Bull drinks are liked by too many morons - the type you see vomiting in the street outside the local Whetherspoons pub on a Friday/Saturday night.

Sod the sports aspect, after all, there is lucozade for the serious sportsperson.

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Originally Posted by wedge

A racing incident, both were to blame - Vettel slightly more so, say 55-60%. I don't believe either driver deserves greater blame.

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No, Mark was rightly defending his lead. SOmething the leader is entitled to do.

Seb chose which side to attempt the pass.

Mark kept the line tight, but did not squeeze Seb.

Seb did the squeezing, as he knew the pass would only stick if he could brake.

Now, the videos tell us that there was an immense amount of dust kicked up br Seb's tyres, he will have been seriously compromised in the braking zone due to dirty tyres.

I seriously doubt his ability to outbrake Mark.

Mark knew that.

Which is why he positioned his car as he did - Enough room for Seb, but no more.

Even Mark's team understand this now.