California Budget

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

We are still arguing over Healthcare? Eki thinks the government is the solution to everything that ails everyone, Anthony is everyman for himself and most of the rest are in the middle.

It is pretty simple. Ideally you would no cost healthcare AT all. But in the world all us have to live in, healthcare is damned expensive, and in the US moreso because of idiocy in the courts over malpractice. As a result docs run tests and procedures often to cover their @sses running up the cost of health care.

I have said it before, government running healthcare is a blessing and a curse.....

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We also need to get a handle on the price of Pharmaceuticals.
Mark why is it that many medications developed by large Pharmaceutical Co’s
can be purchased by Americans in Canada at quite a lower price,
and are the purchases by Americans legal in Canada?

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Originally Posted by Camelopard

How about doing away with malpractice suits and accepting that some times errors get made, mistakes happen and 'get over it'.

Whilst they are at it get rid of this ridiculous notion that people in the States have regarding trying to sue the ar$e of everyone and never taking responsibilty for their own actions, because someone else 'is to blame' or is at fault.

Admittedly sometimes a witch hunt is needed but not if you scald yourself because you are too stupid to realise that a cup of coffee you are holding may in fact be hot. :)

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The corporations being sued acquiesce too easily (on the advice of their attorney’s) and will settle anything they don't want to spend the money and time to fight. Or are afraid it will bring bad publicity in "small settlement" The aggregate of these is enormous! :eek:

All:
God save your majesty!


Cade:
I thank you, good people—there shall be no money; all shall eat
and drink on my score, and I will apparel them all in one livery,
that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord.


Dick:
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.


Cade:
Nay, that I mean to do.


Henry The Sixth, Part 2 Act 4, scene 2, 71–78

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

We are still arguing over Healthcare? Eki thinks the government is the solution to everything that ails everyone, Anthony is everyman for himself and most of the rest are in the middle.

It is pretty simple. Ideally you would no cost healthcare AT all. But in the world all us have to live in, healthcare is damned expensive, and in the US moreso because of idiocy in the courts over malpractice. As a result docs run tests and procedures often to cover their @sses running up the cost of health care.

I have said it before, government running healthcare is a blessing and a curse.....

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That's another whole big @ss can of worms. I didn't want to bring it up as I was focusing on costs alone. You are right of course.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

That's another whole big @ss can of worms. I didn't want to bring it up as I was focusing on costs alone. You are right of course.

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Chuck, the lawsuits and the stupid rewards juries were giving on malpractice is the REASON healthcare has gotten away from a lot of people in the US and your health insurance is so much more than it should be.

It is the greatest flaw in the US system and yet, the right to sue is a plus if you are on the wrong side of a legitimate case of malpractice. This is a case where laws regulating jury awards and defining malpractice are too loose in many states.

California, Mass, and NY are all going broke however not due to anything but giving illegals free healthcare and having a quasi state run healthcare system. You cant have state run healthcare in the US unless you get all the costs under control and THAT would be an affront to current US law, constitutional rights and common sense.

IN Canada...we have it the other way, the government runs it all, we have no choice and they ration it to us. IT is a bloody miracle we don't go broke or have more issues than we do....

I find it very amusing that Americans base socialised healthcare on how it is run in Canada and seem to overlook the healthcare systems that are in place in countries like France and the UK

The U.S health care system is a profiteering enterprise concerned with making money and not with treating patients. Corporations are making medical decisions behind closed doors, as well as decisions on physicians' fees and working conditions with only one thing in mind: increase profits. The HMO system of health care which is the American example of "competition" and "freedom of choice" therefore only restricts quality and access to health care.

According to the Wall Street Journal, having multiple hospitals at one location actually drives up costs. Competition in health care does not follow an idealistic economic model, it forms a "health care arms race" making health care even less accessible.

http://www.essortment.com/all/nationalizedhea_rtqq.htm

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

IN Canada...we have it the other way, the government runs it all, we have no choice and they ration it to us. IT is a bloody miracle we don't go broke or have more issues than we do....

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Rationing usually means not going broke. Reckless unlimited spending usually means going broke.

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Originally Posted by steve_spackman

I find it very amusing that Americans base socialised healthcare on how it is run in Canada and seem to overlook the healthcare systems that are in place in countries like France and the UK

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Of course that is because only a tiny minority have ever ventured off the standard tourist routes/places if they ever have left the State they live in, and an even tinier minority have ever SPOKEN to anybody in any foriegn country who has utilised the Heath care system in other places (although as we see on a daily basis, never having experienced something or spoken to somebody who has experienced anything never prevents a certain sort of very vocal American and their wannabe cousins from expounding at great lenght), and an unbelieveably miniscule percentage have ever received Health Care elsewhere and so have virtually no basis for forming opinions.

The only reason many opponents bring up the Canadian experience is not because they know a thing about Canada---seriously, like that it is a foriegn country, that is is somewhere to the North of USA---seriously---but rather that their news sources has brought up horror stories to demonstrate the "superiority" of the American system.
"We have the BEST healthcare in the World!!!!!!" is constantly repeated by people incapable of thought, and their own inability of making a comparison is overlooked and they are thoroughly convinced they are right because it is constantly repeated on their radio and TV programs.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

"We have the BEST healthcare in the World!!!!!!" is constantly repeated by people incapable of thought, and their own inability of making a comparison is overlooked and they are thoroughly convinced they are right because it is constantly repeated on their radio and TV programs.

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Funnily, also North Koreans are thoroughly convinced that THEY have the best system in the World, because it's constantly repeated on their radio and TV.

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Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa

Chuck, the lawsuits and the stupid rewards juries were giving on malpractice is the REASON healthcare has gotten away from a lot of people in the US and your health insurance is so much more than it should be.

It is the greatest flaw in the US system and yet, the right to sue is a plus if you are on the wrong side of a legitimate case of malpractice. This is a case where laws regulating jury awards and defining malpractice are too loose in many states.

California, Mass, and NY are all going broke however not due to anything but giving illegals free healthcare and having a quasi state run healthcare system. You cant have state run healthcare in the US unless you get all the costs under control and THAT would be an affront to current US law, constitutional rights and common sense.

IN Canada...we have it the other way, the government runs it all, we have no choice and they ration it to us. IT is a bloody miracle we don't go broke or have more issues than we do....

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I totally agree Mark. I just was using that as a "trump" card. Once I make my other points then I come in with the "whys" of high costs. Just a tactic I was using. Maybe not the best.