Tony George resigned

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I stand by my point. Plus wouldn't have been great if CART had forced TG's hand? If they had shown up, and had the fastest 20 times (or however many), do you really think the 25-8 rule would have stood? Or if it did that everyone would have seen how unfair it was, and it would have all blown up right then and there?

Nothing had changed, CART teams were still allowed to run. No matter how you want to spin it.

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Yes, CART teams were allowed to run, eight of 'em. Now who is spinning?

(Technically there MIGHT have been a few more if the, face saving we better put it in so we don't get sued for restriant of trade, % rule were allowed to exapnd that, which is highly doubtful.)

Gary

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I'm not sure that TG would have changed the rule. What I am saying is if the CART guys had shown up and out qualified the IRL guys in a big way, things would have (or at least could have) blown up and changed future history.

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My, my aren't we awful quick to spend someone else's money to pack up the team and head to IMS to make a point, knowing full well that the 25-8 rule would preclude you from running in the race after you spent all that money. I bet if it was YOUR money, your tune would be a tad different.

Gary

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So again I ask, why are you here? This is supposed to be a forum for FANS which you are clearly not.

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Oh so YOU get to decide who is and who is not a fan now too? I think Blancvino made it clear he (or she) was not a fan of IMS and King George. I also recall him (or her) making statments that indicate a clear interest in AOWR even as it exists today.

Gary

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I just wish that people could see past their hatred of TG...

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I guess most of us has known a rich kid when we were growing up. The kid that had a really nice car that he didn't have to do anything to get. The same kid would never get in trouble for wronging others in the community.

So some (myself included), tend to identify him as one of those. And while other people - like my brother - like to cheerlead for anything 'Hoosier', that kind of loyalty does nothing for something that was to be bigger than F1, and bigger than NASCAR.

So we know what Tony's intentions were from the start. Don't you feel he misled you?

And it's not really the green monster of envy for me, it's not. The better car I can get over. The way that he has never worked to prove his abilities is indication enough. It's fundamental to every study on leadership.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

You know I've been thinking (I know that's dangerous). But all of you that keep talking about how TG killed "the sport" seem to be CART fans. Well if you look at it, things are now pretty simmilar to CART in '93. If there were just more chassis and engine combinations, it would be exact. So if you would look past your hatred, you'd see the sport you claim to love so much.

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Oh we see it alright, just not through the same rose colored pollyanna glasses as you. We see it twisted and crippled at the side of the road thanks to the ego and deep checkbook of one Anton "king" George. And for that you want us to be grateful and dutiful little robots and sing the praises of the great leaders vision? Yeah, right.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

It is guys like me, guys that liked the original "vision" who's sport has been killed. We don't get to see guys coming from the midgets and sprints go to Indy. We don't get to see guys put together their own engines with their own little tricks to try and go faster than the other guy. Etc. Etc.

Don't get me wrong I didn't like everything about the original "vision", nor did I like everything about CART. But I did watch, and enjoy, them both. Just as I enjoy (mostly) the current IRL. I just wish that people could see past their hatred of TG, enjoy the sport they claim to love, and yes even point out some of the flaws. But to spout off about how you will never watch the IRL "until the IMS is ONLY a track owner and the IRL is pushing up daisies", is just foolish. At least if you are a fan of AOWR.

Just my 2 cents worth. And I do realize my 2 cents is not worth much to many of you.

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Go back and read Blacovino's post again, I saw NOTHING that indicates Blancovino would not watch the IRL again, only IMS. I do enjoy the sport I love. I just wish the idiot grandson hadn't decimated it to serve his own purposes. And obviously his sister's are feeling the same way, albeit for their OWN selfish reasons now.

Gary

When is TG going to present his statement? Might as well see what he has to say about all of this...

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Originally Posted by chuck34

I stand by my point. Plus wouldn't have been great if CART had forced TG's hand? If they had shown up, and had the fastest 20 times (or however many), do you really think the 25-8 rule would have stood? Or if it did that everyone would have seen how unfair it was, and it would have all blown up right then and there?

Nothing had changed, CART teams were still allowed to run. No matter how you want to spin it.

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This speculation with no ring of logic to it. If CART teams had shown up, even if they did have the fastest times, Tony George still would have put in place the 25-8. That is how he was assuring himself that IRL teams would make up most of the field. It's inaccurate to say "CART teams were still allowed to run", because the amount of CART teams being allowed to run is the issue here. Ignoring that makes your point entirely flawed.

You've all made me see the light. ** Tony George. ** the Speedway. ** the IRL. ** any Clabber Girl. I'll never have anything to do with the ***** Grandson again. ** the sport I love just to spite this one man. The CART boys were 100% right and they went bankrupt twice to prove that they were never at fault with anything. It's time for another white paper. Bring back Dan Gurney. Shoot TG in the head, he's a frigging idiot.

Crist people. Why is it that no one wants to see any fault anywhere except at TG's feet? I have never once said that TG doesn't bear responsibility for the state of AOWR. Can the same be said for some of you and CART?

I'm done with these thread. You all can go back over history with your FTG glasses on. I'll continue to look at histroy through my realistic glasses where BOTH CART and TG are at fault.

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Originally Posted by Starter

In retrospect, the best thing CART could have done was to have shown up at Indy just as though it was a normal year. There is little doubt that most of the CART cars/drivers would have qualified well into the field. Then when a significant number of the faster qualifiers were denied starting spots because of 25-8 the sham would have been exposed around the world (Indy HAD a world wide presence then). The resulting furor may have ended the split right then and there.

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Exactly what I said. However I didn't say ***** the ***** grandson, so my opinion is ignored, as your's probably will be too.

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Originally Posted by Starter

In retrospect, the best thing CART could have done was to have shown up at Indy just as though it was a normal year. There is little doubt that most of the CART cars/drivers would have qualified well into the field. Then when a significant number of the faster qualifiers were denied starting spots because of 25-8 the sham would have been exposed around the world (Indy HAD a world wide presence then). The resulting furor may have ended the split right then and there.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Exactly what I said. However I didn't say ***** the ***** grandson, so my opinion is ignored, as your's probably will be too.

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I didn't ignore it. I said it would have been a very expensive way to do it. It might have been the best way in retrospect, but at the time none of the CART guys was willing to spend the money it would have taken.

Gary