It's time to screw Russia over

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Thank you Rudy. But still....we can say he's obedient to Russia, can't we?

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Junior partner, yes. Obedient, no. In time of disagreement with Russia he indluges in such anti-Russian rhetoric, it would make Saakashvili go green of envy.

Rudy, if it is not annoying to you, can you tell me (us) more about Belarus and it's people and the differences between you and the Russians. I am asking because the name of Belarus sounds a lot like "White Russia".
Thank you in advance.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I am asking because the name of Belarus sounds a lot like "White Russia".

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Or like " Beautiful Russia " for latins.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

I am asking because the name of Belarus sounds a lot like "White Russia".

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or more like a tractor :)

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Originally Posted by Tomi

What do you think will Russia place missiles in Belarus, now when Poland agreed to take the us missiles on their soil?

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My guess is no. The furthest it gets will be the inegrated anti-aircraft defense system. But then I've often been wrong with my predictions and this has the likelihood of 50%, either yes, or, well, no.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

My guess is no. The furthest it gets will be the inegrated anti-aircraft defense system. But then I've often been wrong with my predictions and this has the likelihood of 50%, either yes, or, well, no.

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Ahaa, the miltary experts here thinks its likely they will place in Belarus or in Kronstadt or in both.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Rudy, if it is not annoying to you, can you tell me (us) more about Belarus and it's people and the differences between you and the Russians. I am asking because the name of Belarus sounds a lot like "White Russia".
Thank you in advance.

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The very name 'Belarus' is a derivative of Rus'. Rus' was an early mediaeval state between Baltic and Black seas. It was founded in 9th century as a political compromise between the local Slavic, Baltic and Finnic communities and the companies of Scandinavians pirates and traders that were wandering there. Those Scandinavians called themselves 'rots' that meant 'rowers' and in Slavic dialects it mutated to 'rus'. Since the first ruling dynasty was Scandinavian, the name stuck to the whole region. In Latin it was spelled as 'Russia' or 'Ruthenia'. Rus' disintegrated very soon and mediaeval scholars had to distingush between its different regions, which they did using colour symblolics. Parts of modern day Belarus were called 'Ruthenia Alba', or White Rus (Bielaja Rus in Belarusian) as early as 14 century. So initially it was just a geographic name. But by early 17 century when most of the elements of the emerging Belarusian ethnie were in place, the scholarly name was picked to indicate a new people. And in early 20 century when the Russian Empire broke up and Belarusians became a political nation, it was used as a name for the whole country.

Russia kinda privatized the Latinized version of the name 'Rus' but ironically they do not use the original version in their language other than poeticallypreferring a Hellenized version 'Rossiya' instead.

Historically the path of Belarus was different from Russia's. After the breakup of Rus' Belarusians felt pretty comfortable with the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

...(continued, sorry)... ;) and then were forcefully occupied by Russia. However, by early 20 century Belarusians lost their elites, assimilated by stronger neighbours and became a nation of farmers. Because of that many Belarusians accepted the leftist ideas managed to turn the leftist modernization in the Soviet Union to their favor. Belarusians did pretty well in the USSR and still keep much of the Soviet heritage including cultural achievements, industrial potential, welfare state and decent infrastructure. Here lie the roots of the current pro-Russian policies of the Belarus' govt.

Ethnically we are different from Russians with a separate language, a unique folk culture and psychological dispositions. We are much more rational, cold-blooded and reserved. Diligent workers, but not very creative. Disciplined implementers but lack leadrship skills. Very practical, economical and thorough, but sometimes let small details get in the way of the bigger picture. Still growing up as a nation. :)

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Yes, that's what it sounds when you put it out like that. But all due respect, I didn't mean it like that.

What I meant it's not as easy to see all the things Russia do if you don't have the ringside seats as we do.

I said yourself:



On paper it can look anything or people may say anything about USA's involment etc. But it's just very black and white. I bet you could have a different view if you'd have a history and their shadow over your shoulders all the time.

My point is that Russia has for years and years done the **** they do and they always seem to get away with it. And it pisses me off. They really are bullies like some already said. Their idea of diplomacy is to scare people silent. Now the opposition here in Finland is whining about our politics that it's way too much against Russia and it's risky. Apparently we have the weakest Russia relation since the WWII :eek: Well dippidii duu. If Russia's idea of relation is; "if you're not with us, you're against us" it's pretty hard to please them... unless you kiss their ***** like these conservative opposition parlament members would like.

I'm not sure whether I like the media novadays? or not It's true we get the news quicker and the whole world is able to see what they've done. But we also get that propaganda so people won't know what part to believe :mark:

Bummer I guess.

Anyway, the point for this post was sorry, didn't mean to be ignorant to you.

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Yeah, sorry just thought it came across as harsh, if you didn't mean it to come across that way apology accepted and no hard feelings :) .

I agree and accept Russia aren't the good guys, as I've said in seveal posts. I'm just pointing out the obvious. Plus they're not as much as bullies as America.

And to be fair, bullying is part of world politics, we'd never agree on anything if we all depended on conversation and negotiation. Pressure and incentives have to be used, and they're a form of bullying. Biggest world bullies in my eyes is America.

But back to this case, I don't particularly see what Russia is meant to have done. They probably do have another motive other than protecting their own people, but Georgia went in knowing it would force Russia into action.

This doesn't make Russia the good guys, but it definately doesn't make Russia the evil monstors (in this instance) in the wrong in this instant like the media (led by USA) would have us believe.

doesn't make Russia the evil monstors


Well why don't you go tour the country and get back to us on the evil???