Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

That letter really has pulled the rug out from underneath Max. It is almost a coup de gras.

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Bernie's letter does make interesting reading.

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We believe it is to the benefit of Formula One that the FIA should have a transparent and robust governance structure and that it should discharge its regulatory responsibilities in a fair, impartial and non-discriminatory manner, without external influence or interference, led by a credible and respected President

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This seems to address some of the criticisms of Max made by others.

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Those agreements are valid and binding on the parties and will in all material respects become operative in 2011. They do not need to be altered or renegotiated unless both parties wish to do so

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This completely undermines Max's argument that he must stay in post to "save" F1.

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Formula One continues to be of tremendous benefit to the FIA. It derives in excess of US$ 25 million each year from Formula One (not including fines, which are often substantial sums) which subsidises other aspects of the sport...

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Could be seen as a dig at the imposition of one fine in particular.

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We intend to continue our successful relationship with the FIA. We believe it benefits Formula One as a whole. We have no reason to undermine the FIA or its President, on the contrary we believe a strong FIA led by a respected President is good for all key constituents of Formula One

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There it is again..."respected"...the inference being Max is not.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Bernie's letter does make interesting reading.


This seems to address some of the criticisms of Max made by others.

This completely undermines Max's argument that he must stay in post to "save" F1.

Could be seen as a dig at the imposition of one fine in particular.

There it is again..."respected"...the inference being Max is not.

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So, basically Bernie is saying Max is vindictive, creaming off F1 and is not fit to represent the FIA.

I would say that war has commenced if Max does not step down. This is worded very strongly and if battle commences, it could rip a gaping hole in the sport.

Nobody wants that.

The letter I linked above from F1.com appears to be an abbreviated version; here is the full letter: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67657

I think that if Max does not step down, the relationship will go from frosty to deep freeze between Bernie and Max. This could seriously undermine the running of F1.

The letter from Bernie you would think would be the last nail in Max's coffin.

I cannot believe the arrogance of Max to think he can continue on in any official role within the FIA. I'm sure there is a spot in the post room for him, where no one can see him. He has dragged this out and is trying to stay a float, with a concrete block tied to his feet.

If I got caught I would have gone by now, just to save my family the humilation of the whole affair. Arrogant fool....the world is full of them.

There are "ambiguities" in the 100 year agreement that need to be worked out ?
Sounds like the "agreement" has some disagreement in it .
Sounds like it doesn't come into effect until 2011 .
Sounds like the white knight Bernie is painting a picture here .

We don't want control of the regulations but we want you to talk to us first , before making any rash moves .

Gimme a break , guys .
You all slag Bernie , until he's a good tool with which to slag Max .

Let's see if Max responds .

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Originally Posted by Malllen

In less than 2 weeks, Mosley will either be dumped or retained by the FIA on June 3. I thought this subject should be brought up again.

He now states, "FIA risk losing control of F1 if I am dumped". Although I have to say I expected this type of politics from him ahead of the meeting.

Here's a long but interesting read:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67479



The underlined parts are probably the parts that'll scare some people into voting for his retainment.

The part in bold is interesting. Because, at times, giving someone else control over F1 regulations seems like a damn good idea at times!

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In the end, Max Mosley knows that as President of FIA he hasn't been in total control of FOM (Formula One Management) & realistically it's Eccelstone who has been running F1 as a unit that just happens to be part of FIA. I don't know what the fuss is between Mosely & Eccelstone but let's talk about 'private lives' for a while.

Max Mosely is the son of Sir. Oswald Mosley, the British Facist Leader who who supported Hitler & slaps strippers dressed in Nazi costumes on the backside & rants in German. Bernie Eccelstone is Jewish married to a Croatian woman (& former super-model) who happens to be taller than most F1 drivers, & he's shorter than most women I know.

Do these things really concern us or F1?

I have to admit, I don't care that Eccelstone is Jewish, that he votes Labour,& I really don't care what Mosley's father was or what Max does behind closed doors, & whoever prys on somebody is the real creep around here. Was it really to them to bring this out?

Everybody is missing the major point.

What Max Mosley does behind closed doors is his own business & has no place in FIA. It is indeed inapprorpriate behaviour, but it's not like he made it a priority to reveal it to the public. Drunken behaviour or public offences are quite something else. He kept it behind closed doors, fair enough, but who is anybody to sneak up on him behind closed doors?

Would it have made any difference if those strippers were dressed in Ferrari uniforms (I personally fancy what the grid-girls wear in Turkey!) but does that really matter to anybody? In the end, it's part of an odd scheme that has more to do with so-called, 'Nazi role playing' than it does with a 'sex scandal' & invasion of privacy is a major thing that has been violated. Whatever happened to 'he who is without sin shall throw the first stone?' I guess some people don't learn their lessons & live only by prying. Especially those who pry on others.



I believe that Mosley is a victim of invasion of privacy & a campaign to discredit him launched by certain extremist groups.

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Originally Posted by Tallgeese

I believe that Mosley is a victim of invasion of privacy & a campaign to discredit him launched by certain extremist groups.

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Well, that's an interesting label for Murdoch's tabloid NOTW. Not that I doubt much of the rubbish in that rag is extreme rubbish.

This is the latest from Autosport: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67667

Of particular interest is the following passage:

"In the letter sent last week, a copy of which has been seen by autosport.com, Setsuo Tanaka, the president of JAF, claims that a vote was taken at the FIA Spring meeting in late April to make a fresh attempt to get Mosley to stand down.

Tanaka wrote: "The World Council has unanimously agreed that we should avoid (a) vote of confidence at the Extraordinary General Assembly on 3 June, because if President Mosley would get no-confidence, it would mean disaster to him, and on the contrary, if President Mosley would get confidence, it would mean disaster to the FIA."

However it seems that Max is unlikely to pay any heed to the pleas of those who are asking him to step down.

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Tanaka wrote: "The World Council has unanimously agreed that we should avoid (a) vote of confidence at the Extraordinary General Assembly on 3 June, because if President Mosley would get no-confidence, it would mean disaster to him, and on the contrary, if President Mosley would get confidence, it would mean disaster to the FIA."

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That's it in a nutshell.