Honda found a bug in the McLaren CPU?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Me too. But some people still believe that McLaren and RD are purer than a virgin.

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So what good does bringing it up time after time do? You're unlikely to sway any opinions. I changed my view on the matter for reasons other than people going on and on about 'McCheat', etc, etc, etc...

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Originally Posted by tamburello

And I have not said that there is any foundation to it.
But when Mclaren are self-confessed cheats, don't be surprised when people do not trust them.
That was my point....and it was perfectly clear.

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Yes it was, and there's no surprise at the lack of trust where McLaren are concerned, but your first point about a lack of foundation is important IMHO.

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

So, in your opinion Ferrari suffering 3 engine failures in the same race is just a poor engineering issue?

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I have no idea, but equally I'm not making the assumption it was the ECU; and even if it was the ECU are we to assume that MES have installed a feature that only affects Ferrari engines, or perhaps Ferrari haven't got the system working with the car as well as others. Who knows!!

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Originally Posted by ioan

Me too. But some people still believe that McLaren and RD are purer than a virgin.

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Perhaps they do, but equally some still believe that all teams except McLaren are whiter than white.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Perhaps they do, but equally some still believe that all teams except McLaren are whiter than white.

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All I know that they are all different shades of gray, with McLaren at the dark end after last season.

I think we should wait until Ferrari confirms exactly what caused the engine failures.

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Originally Posted by mstillhere

So, in your opinion Ferrari suffering 3 engine failures in the same race is just a poor engineering issue? It's just a coincidence that these failures happened just when the ECU was installed. Hum....I don't know. At Ferrari they know how to bulid engines. And I said I truly hope that you are right. it's just a coincidence. I don't dare imagining the consequences if you were not right.

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Seeing as the clearly faulty and cheating ECU powered their engines perfectly during testing it probably was a run of the mill failure....after all it happened to MS in Japan so it's not like they're 100% reliable, no engineered component can be.

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Originally Posted by ioan

As far as I know only Bridgestone and Michelin took part in the tender.

With Michelin proving in 2005 that they couldn't build a capable tire for every circumstances, the obvious choice was Bridgestone.

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I have a bit of an issue with that.

Firstly, wasn't Pirelli also invited to tender, as buddies of BCE?

Secondly, and please, CMIIAW, but 2005 was the first year that indy had the track surface diamond cut.

Now, Firestone tyres used in American racing series (not sure which, but hey) had already run on this surface, so Bridgestone, same company, had advanced notice.

Question is, were Michelin told of the change in surface finishing? Because it seems that if they were not, and the failures were directly as a result of the improved grip and hence heat build up on the tyre shoulder, that these are mitigating circumstances.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I have a bit of an issue with that.

Firstly, wasn't Pirelli also invited to tender, as buddies of BCE?

Secondly, and please, CMIIAW, but 2005 was the first year that indy had the track surface diamond cut.

Now, Firestone tyres used in American racing series (not sure which, but hey) had already run on this surface, so Bridgestone, same company, had advanced notice.

Question is, were Michelin told of the change in surface finishing? Because it seems that if they were not, and the failures were directly as a result of the improved grip and hence heat build up on the tyre shoulder, that these are mitigating circumstances.

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Pirelli were invited, but did they participate?!

As for Michelin's incredible mistake, who's job was to know about the real state of the track?
It's not like the resurfacing was kept a secret, everyone else seemed to know about it, it was widely reported during the weeks before the race, they simply fuked it up. Was it overconfidence or plain stupidity? I don't know. One thing is sure, they followed it up with very personal attacks directed to Max and the FIA.

In any society in this world they would have been treated the same way, thrown out.

The bug in the ECU made Honda more competitive than they were expecting.....Ha ha!!
As for Michelin against the FIA, they have come off worse. No longer in F1, lost the contract in WRC to Pirelli, when Michelins were far superior to Pirelli. They have surely learned their lesson??? Or have they??

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

They [Michelin] have surely learned their lesson??? Or have they??

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So long as they continue to make 125 tyres for my 2CV, I don't care. :laugh:

This is quite vague, but it is the latest I can find on Ferrari engine issue.
It states clearly enough that Ferrari feels it was their responsibility to understand the system. It's not the the type of oversight I would expect from them in this millennia!
http://formula-1.updatesport.com/new...-ECU/view.html

"It is similarly being reported that Ferrari thinks the fuel pressure problem that stranded Kimi Raikkonen down the Melbourne grid last Saturday is also related to the McLaren ECU.

"This kind of thing can happen when you are working with one procedure that you do not know so well. Now we know that there is a conflict we can make sure it does not happen again," a team spokesman told GP Week.