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As I thought..Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Now waiting for Yaris R5 Aprils Fool joke..
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What joke can you make about it? Already/soon under construction.
it's hard to tell how much exactly you need to pay to upgrade 2013 Fiesta to latest spec, as anyway during that long period of time you need to do engine rebuild, change some parts, etc, so then you rebuild it to newer spec, change parts for Joker ones, etc.
You can upgrade one of first Fiestas from 2013 to latest spec, Evo2 engine, all the Jokers, etc. Chassis is the same. Otherwise new homologation needed. I did some WRC rallies with one of the first cars with all the latest upgrades, so FIA scrutineering people think the same...
Fabia R5 with engine upgrades, perhaps sounds slightly less lazy than before: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vU_yt9Kj-dI
C3 is impressing on its first outing. Shows it is on par with the best R5s on asphalt. So was the DS3 when it came out.
Next test to see if the C3 is following the Fabia and Fiesta on gravel/snow as well. I hope it does, to get more diversity in car choice for the drivers that aims for podiums!
VW for sure is faster than Skoda and same goes for NEW Fiesta.
May I ask how do You know?
Besides that is there any publicly available schedule related to the new Fiesta R5?
You may, I don´t know and those who know won´t tell ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
M-Sport are running out of old chassises, they have no other option than build new one...
New Fiesta should appear in 2019 according one press article that i readed last month.
It would be reasonable to expect the Polo to be at least as fast and possibly faster than the Fabia. After all it will have the same engine, and probably other parts but I guess VW will have been able to further optimise some stuff Skoda could not do just with jokers.
Sure but on the other hand the Polo is really big for an R5 car. Its size and wheelbase might not be ideal.
I´m not familiar with dimensions, so compared to C3 and new Fiesta, is POLO how much bigger car ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
It’s about the same size and wheelbase as the i20, wheelbase is around 10cm longer than the Fabia, 7cm longer than the new Fiesta.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
I already heard from an engineer of Skoda Motorsport that the chassis of the Polo will be the problem to be faster than the Fabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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Are there big differences sizewise on the Mk7 and Mk8 Fiestas?
Not according to what I have found online, but the Mk8 might use a different platform, and therefor need a new homologation.
So more than the backlight being horisontal, instead of vertical :-)
Not 100% sure but I believe the new MK8 Fiesta uses exactly the same chassis as the MK7. The MK8 is supposed to be wider than the old one aswell, it looks just as wide as the Focus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
In the 2L WRC era, top rally cars had clear size variations but were, mostly, equally competitive (Impreza/206, Lancer/Corolla,…).
Probably, Skoda main advantage comes from having R5 as their main motorsport program; besides the standard costumer program, they compete with the Fabia as a works team, which hugely helps to boost the car development.
Btw, the next Fabia will use the current Polo platform.
PS: nice start of the C3; lets hope it'll be more successfull than the DS.
any news about new proton r5? will that ever be homologated?
We are many years farther now. The optimization of the design is much easier today and the amount of experience and data is enormous. The simple fact is that the size or wheelbase matter. Everyone knows that and that's why modern rallycars are nearly all of the same size - the optimum found after many years of development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Of course it may not be crucial that the car is somewhat bigger (for rallies like Finland it can be even plus) but it can be an overall handicap. On the other hand with the S2000 we could see that even with some handicaps it was still possible to have the best car (Fabia S2000 being the only 5-door car of that time and rather high as well).
Last news were that will be homologated the 1st JulyQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Isn't it so that a longer wheel base gives you more stability and a shorter wheel base makes the car more nimble?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yes, basically like that if other variables are +/- same (not a special case like Octavia WRC with large car on a small wheelbase which isn't nimble at all due to large overhangs).
Those differences in dimensions were not that big actually. I remember the wheelbase of the Impreza WRC had a wheelbase of +-5cm longer than the 206 WRC. The differences in appearance/looks of the cars were bigger than they are now, for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
That doesn't necessarily mean it will have the same dimensions. New VAG platform architecture is much more variable (and even before this MQB architecture many Skoda models actually used different wheelbases to similar VW counterparts)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
However Skoda tend to major on interior space so it's a good bet the next generation Fabia will have a longer wheelbase.
Most likely Fabia IV will have same wheelbase as Polo/Ibiza, i.e. reasonably larger than current R5 car.
Quick check on Martin Holmes yearbooks: the 206 WB measured 2,468m, 4,2cm less than the Evo VI, 13,2cm less than the Evo VII, 5,2 cm less than any Impreza GD, 8,7cm less than the Xsara or less 14,7cm than the Focus MkI. The Corolla WB was 3cm shorter than the 206.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Instead of a max length, at the time there was a mandatory minimal 4m overall length; only Peugeot (and later Skoda) choose a B segment car, all the others used C cars. If a shorter WB was so vital, for sure other manus would easily, like Peugeot, sort a limited series of their B models with larger bumpers in order to pass the 4m.
True. Still the only B cars already using the new platform (Ibiza and Polo) have the same WB (2,564m).Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Different times, different technical rules (all active cars before 2006 for example), very different tyres and suspension and very different conditions for design optimization through simulations. I would say that today it's less about personal inventions of the designers and more about very systematic work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
According rallye-magazin.de Polo GTI R5 will not be homologated in August. So, debut should be in Catalunya.
So will all R5s have a version of this document, where the last joker it has installed is noted?
So are manufacturers and firms approved to install jokers issuing them?
Just so byuers know what to ask the seller to show as proof.
https://www.rfeda.es/documents/20185/734626/RD%20ASFALTO%202017%20Anexo%2012%20Declaraci%C3%B3 n%20Jokers%20Veh%C3%ADculos%20Gr%20R5
It looks like it's nothing more than a declaration of what is installed in the particular car to be signed by the team during scrutineering.
Quite similar list you need to fill on every WRC/ERC event when you start with R5 car, they update it then in their system and control. Next rally you can't start with older spec than it's noted in gold book.
That Spanish list is nice, but not actual.
Looks like VW will delay homologation, they will not have time to reach timelines to get it ready for August 1.
This according to Sven Smets talking to Rallye Magazine. They need more testing to be certain it is good enough on both surfaces.
3rd C3 R5 to José Pedro Fontes, 4th to Simone Tempestini. After that, Citroën will focus on spare parts and back to cars production after.
in Sportmotores.com
Mid June will be already the debut of the C3 in Belgium at Wervik.
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Peter Bijvelds bought a Fiesta R5. Drove his last rally in 2009, but was always really fast in his Mitsubishi's. Curious to see what he's going to do!
https://www.ewrc-results.com/profile...eter-bijvelds/
Wow! Peter Bijvelds! He used to be a super fast driver. Good luck to him!
No ERC and no WRC2 for Kajto??what happen with him?
Mirage R5e in development...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...eing-developed
Wouldn't it be better to make the R5 competitive instead of developing a variant for non-existing rules?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC