Rally Sweden 2015

I see nothing wrong with Ogiers behavior, is about time we have a champion that speaks the truth, i do not like him when he comes up with cheap excuses, but what is wrong when he says he is the best ?? Isn't he ?? Latvala doesn't know how to drive after 500 years in the sport, Ostberg is a tourist, Meeke tries but always falls short, Neuville is ok i guess but overrated for the moment and the rest are not existent... the only hope is Mikelseen but for him is still early, to be honest Mikelsen deserves that 2nd polo far more than Latvala.

It is in the hands of his rivals to prove him wrong and make him look stupid...

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Originally Posted by AL14

Saying it's your fault when it's your fault is not humble, it's normal.

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No it is not normal. That is quality of big person actually to admit their own mistakes.

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Originally Posted by AL14

Saying that other driver understand I'm the boss is stupid in my opinion. First because they (and we all) already knew it, so no need to tell it, second because that is arrogance, no matter how right he is, it's about style. I think that in rally and other sports, big winning characters make speak the field, in his case the timeboard, and they don't need to say it themself.

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I must have missed that quote, when he did said that:D? Well may be it is a wakeup call for the others to show him "who is the boss". I have to agree though it is not very stylish, but I can hardly recognize any great style in wrc last 10 more or less years perhaps. I still don't understand though why the style is such a big problem in motorsport, in F1 You'll find even less style last 20 years.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

That's not really an answer. To distinguish some quality in some person is what makes him bigger than others. You didn't provide any. But I can, Ogier is the fastest driver in WRC currently and his driving style is very spectacular. That is something I do care about, I know he is not a saint, but no one of us is.

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Well but you quoted just one sentence of the post. I've written some more to argue it :)

What is the point to show humility just for the sake of it ?? why ?? because you cannot stand someone to be the best and know about it ??? what is wrong with that ?? why you need people to be humble on things they do best ?? humility should be shown only when you are still learning something because that is how you improve, when you reach the top there is no reason for it...

humility is a disease and the only fault the greatest motorsport driver of all times had...

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

I must have missed that quote, when he did said that:D? Well may be it is a wakeup call for the others to show him "who is the boss". I have to agree though it is not very stylish, but I can hardly recognize any great style in wrc last 10 more or less years perhaps. I still don't understand though why the style is such a big problem in motorsport, in F1 You'll find even less style last 20 years.

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Quote is here http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117751
I agree it is not so much important, and I'm wondering why we are talking too much about it. maybe it's the sundey night boredom :)

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

humility is a disease and the only fault the greatest motorsport driver of all times had...

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This fault makes him even more special,because he had not only good hands.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

What is the point to show humility just for the sake of it ?? why ?? because you cannot stand someone to be the best and know about it ??? what is wrong with that ?? why you need people to be humble on things they do best ?? humility should be shown only when you are still learning something because that is how you improve, when you reach the top there is no reason for it...

humility is a disease and the only fault the greatest motorsport driver of all times had...

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Ok, I could sound a bit weird now and far off topic but... You're putting it into a logic point of view and it fix perfectly but we live in a society and there are unwritten rules that shape societies, cultures and social groups. One of them (at the moment) is that even if you excel in something, underlining it with arrogance is wrong.

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Originally Posted by AL14

Well but you quoted just one sentence of the post. I've written some more to argue it :)

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Ok, You said something about Latvala being "potentially" humble if he has 2 WDC, and something else for Neuville & Mikkelsen which I didn't understood.
So why all this is important. I'm here to watch Rallies & discuss Rallies. Ogier brings the best a man can achieve with those cars. I admire that.

EDIT: BTW I think Ogier was arrogant only with his year with Loeb, 2011 was it may be?!? But he had every right to be I believe.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

humility is a disease

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Intresting and radical approach,i have to re-evaluate my values.