The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by skc

I appreciate that English may not be your first language so I will translate into clearer words.



They are racing under the teams direction and not their own



This is in response to the subject of team orders.

So, big white chief comes out and confirms the drivers race for the team, not themselves and it's always been the same.

I am sure the hard of understanding will quite happily claim he hasn't come out and said "Massa was ordered to move over" but if you are the sort interested in Polemics rather than debate, then I am wasting my time trying to communicate with you.

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Grazie Mille.

Clearly he has not stated anything about team orders being directly used. Clearly he has said that Ferrari drivers race knowig that the Ferrari teams interests come before their own personal interests.

There is a clear difference between this and him stating that it a team order was given.

So, thank you.

There is no proof.

Without this, there can be no conviction and innocence is the only verdict a fair person can give.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Without this, there can be no conviction and innocence is the only verdict a fair person can give.

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You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Millions of viewers know exactly what they saw, and the stewards have found Ferrari guilty of breaching the team orders rule and bringing the sport into disrepute.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Millions of viewers know exactly what they saw, and the stewards have found Ferrari guilty of breaching the team orders rule and bringing the sport into disrepute.

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Precisely.

I can't see why some Ferrari fans are defending this. It reflects badly on the team and surely it's better to have 2 drivers fully committed and incentivized than one driver knowing he's going to be a lap dog.

What is more shocking is the refusal of Ferrari management to step back from the confrontation and diffuse the s**t storm. It's almost like they are daring the FIA to act???

The Stewards gave them the maximum fine they could and referred the matter to the WMSC to finish. I would think that Ferrari would want to keep their nose clean.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Millions of viewers know exactly what they saw, and the stewards have found Ferrari guilty of breaching the team orders rule and bringing the sport into disrepute.

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Please state specifically when an order was given!

You cannot, as there was no instruction.

You can keep telling yourself there was, but nobody heard it. None of the millions of viewers heard anything other than information.

Good luck in a courtroom with that!

You would lose.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Please state specifically when an order was given!

You cannot, as there was no instruction.

You can keep telling yourself there was, but nobody heard it. None of the millions of viewers heard anything other than information.

Good luck in a courtroom with that!

You would lose.

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It isn't a court of Law..... Yet!

However, they have already been judged and found guilty. If they believed they were innocent, they would appeal instead of just accepting it.

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

Without this, there can be no conviction and innocence is the only verdict a fair person can give.

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Maybe that's why Berlusconi and many others are still free to do what they please. :\

To defend the undefendable takes heroes.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Maybe that's why Berlusconi and many others are still free to do what they please. :\

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What Berlusconi has to do with this thread ???

An Italian who thinks he's above the law? No, I've no idea what he's got to do with this thread... :p

I must admit that the Romans has a great hertigate, they layed the ground to the modern Europe, and perhaps even the modern F1.