For this events we already have "Island Rally Challenge" IRC :D
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For this events we already have "Island Rally Challenge" IRC :D
Corsica must be in, but i do not care about Cyprus and Sardinia. Bring the old San Remo back please!
GB and NZ should be in WRC as well.
Hmm, Sardinia I'm not bothered about - Italys round of the WRC should be Rallye Sanremo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
Japan - to be honest, it was a bit 'mickey mouse', however with no Japanese marques in the WRC is it needed?
NZ - The best roads and stages in the WRC - madness to leave it out.
GB - Once a classic, now a pale shadow. Leaving it out for a year or two may do the event good and give the organisers a kick up the backside.
To be honest, the latests Corsica were a joke, compared to the history. Remember the 12 stages (just two per day) totals in 2005? Ahah, that was Corsica? OMG, please let stay something like that in IRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Rally Sardinia, at least, gives every year new roads and fresh challenges to the competitors. Look at 2011, Day 1 is completely new since the last event in the WRC in 2009. Every year a lot of roads are new! Not like the next round of the calendar, or last week's event...
Btw, San Remo rally is not accepted by the towns, because there is too much population around the old stages of Tuscany and there's no enough safe roads to arrange an event on tarmac around San Remo (you know, alternative roads, media access, spectators access, etc). Too much traffic on the public roads, no many safe places for spectators (which are much more than an IRC event), small service area. And an important thing: no money from San Remo town hall and Ligury Region (think: it gives San Remo Rally an amount of 12k euros each year, twelve-thousand)!
So, forget San Remo rally. :D
I like that, very true though.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I for one would love Italy to go back to San Remo. Autosport in UK (printed not online) said that 2012 WRC will be down to 11 rounds, with Finland in, Australia and NZ to alternate with NZ in 2012, Sweden with its day in Norway, Japan, and Argentina and Brazil cross border event, and a 3 Emirate, Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Oman round at the end of the year, plus the 3 Euro ashphalt rallies of Germany, France and Spain, thats 9 so leaving the others from Greece, GB, Italy,Portugal, Jordan etc etc to fight it out. GB is further complicated as this (2011) is the final year of the current sponsorship deal, and FIA /NOS/ or Spyker Saab Bank want assurances and a long term deal.
Quiet day at the WMSC for rallying,
RALLYING
The 2012 FIA World Rally Championship calendar has been examined and will be officialised before the end of this month. It will be submitted again to the WMSC via a fax vote. The dates will be confirmed taking into account the reduction of clashes with Formula 1.
The minimum weight of the seats will be increased from 1 January 2012 in order to increase safety. There will be greater freedom on seat material. This will enable competitors to use homologated seats with carbon shells at a more reasonable cost.
From 1 January 2013 the assumed weight of the crew will be increased from 150 kg to 160 kg to reflect average weights.
source http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...sc_080311.aspx
Here's some Googlish rumours for you: VW interested in Loeb :-) Original source is Italian Auto Sprint magazine. It's saying VW will do Dakar 2012 and start WRC programme mid-season 2012.
http://translate.google.fi/translate...%2F202803.html
Bernie seems to release the F1 calendar really late - so, he could, if he wanted, wait until the WRC dates are announced, and have as many clashes as possible. I'm not sure releasing the WRC dates so early is entirely sensible - though I can see why they do it. Unless Jean Todt brings Bernie into line, and makes sure there are no clashes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
VERY well said Mirek..... IRC :D :D :hot: Island Rally Challenge.... because no more Intercontinental ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Hearing something similar .... selected season in 2012, full on 2013, Quesnel start to get worried....Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
He could loose his star and his sponsor.... :hot:
Yes, I have heard about it too from many sources (first one was from Portugal).
I dont agree with you. The "result" of Corse in last years was due to stupid WRC rules, they were trying to "kill" the event like Monte. Also Sardegna was many years still the same, but last year in IRC they went our of north region and found, that it is better...Quote:
Originally Posted by Motorsportfun
This can complicate? the drivers ierarchy in citroen a bit more.
I don't believe Loeb would risk Makkinen's fate. In my opinion he will more likely end his career like a ruling king.
I would be very surprised if RedBull stays with Citroen, in almost other motorsports they are associated withe German or Austrians, Audi in DTM, VW Dakar, Skoda, etc. Also Loed isnt happy / comfortable with the Ogier effect, I wouldnt be surprised to see RedBull VW Polo with Loeb leading that, as for other drivers partnering Loeb, well the rumours are out there.......Quote:
Originally Posted by ProRally
I think VW could be ready by round 1 WRC 2012, and do Dakar - This is a proper factory effort, not an M-Sport / Prodrive for profit organisation, VW are there to sell road cars, not rally cars to those who can afforrd them. The Dakar effort is fully developed, and lets face it there isnt much competition out there, its not as if they need to re-design and develop the Race Tuareg 3.
Loeb to VW is not a rumour is just a Fantasy.... stupid rumours, do not recycle them please.
Maybe VW mega-money can turn his mind? I think that a lot to this decision(if rumor is true) will be his relation with Quesnel/Ogier at 2011?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
no...end of discussion...move on.
It is possible. More than you think...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
If you think about it, there are good reasons, as MJW stated also. The Red Bull deal will surely go to VW, the resources and finance that VW have access to. They can blow Citroen/Ford out of the water - they are in another league!! Although we know money isn't everything, but it sure helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Also, would Loeb like to do a Schumacher at Ferrari or Rossi at Yamaha......now imagine that?
However, I fully expect him to stay at Citroen, then maybe switch to Peugeot LMP1 racing.
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Loeb will never drive for another team and when he starts getting beaten reguarly by ANYONE he will run and retire!!!!!
he will retire before the things you imagine start to happenQuote:
Originally Posted by ste898
Well for a start GB wont be counted as an island rally! It part of the WRC structure, and the UK is not an island off the mainland, it is the mainland....even though it's lost it's empire!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Last years Rally GB was amazing and the organisers got it right with the National B rally, Andy Burton was the best car I witness on the whole event, and ever on a WRC round. It's the coverage that needs to change, if the rest of the world saw AB in the National they would come and watch. I had a rally virgin with me and he said the best driver and car was Andy Burton and his 306 Cosworth, and we only saw him in Radnor! 4 stages of Loeb, Ogier Hirvonen (who was very entertaining), Solberg etc and 1 stage of Andy Burton.......and AB wins!
The WRC need to have wider coverage of rallying in general, just like the good old days, lol!
Long live Andy Burton!
Definately not just a rumor. For example Hänninen has made it pretty clear that he's doing preliminary work for VW group this season. What is not clear is that will the brand be Volkswagen or Škoda but that does not really matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Sadly, this is the last year that Andy Burton can use his awesome Peugeot-Cosworth......
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by ste898
But I'm sure he will retire before he can be beaten:-)
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by ste898
But I'm sure he will retire before he can be beaten:-)
Time will tell, IT IS ONLY CHALLENGE LEFT FOR HIM !! he can be motivated to be champion in other make .... !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Citroen will want to use Loebs name for promotional reasons long after he retires...so no VW for him.
I also think that Loeb will never leave from Citroen. First of all it's a riscky move to change a very good team for few money. In fact we must think how mutch Loeb will continue his career. This is the big question. And about his new rival in Ogier's person...I don't think he is very worried. Doesn't matter what prestations he will have, he will always be No.1 driver for Citroen, even if he will need to be supported with team orders. Remember Dani Sordo, Duval, and other arragements made in 2010 season.
But if you`re leaving the sport, why not with a lot of cash from VW?
Because Loeb is an asset for citroen....he is going to have a contract with them for many years after he retires.
You want to believe rumours..... suit yourselves and believe everything.....
I agree, but it also depends on what Loeb wants. Both parties have to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
this rumour i am 100% started from the czechs who consider VW as king of the world and the situation is perfect to spread stupid things like that....think about it VW announcement + Loeb ogier situation = great opportunity for publicity.
as i said people can belive whatever they wantbut they should consider the REAL facts
Is Loeb underpaid ??
Is VW willing to spend such a huge amount on a driver who in 2 years time will definately not be any faster than he is now ad also 40 years old or close ??
Do we actually know VW is serious about this ?? (can you remember how the project of the JWRC car went ??)
so if you answer these questions and still believe that there are very few things in this world that can help you.....and the fact that i am still burning my sole brain cell to write these self explanatory things to you does not make a good impression either....so as i said believe what you want to believe....unfortunatelly its a free world.
I agree with N.O.T. this time also....
VW in WRC - yes. Loeb in VW - NO!
Though it might not mean a thing to the essence of this discussion, but in a way this news/rumour must be true: It says VW is interested in Loeb, not necessarily the other way around. Every manufacturer or rally team should be interested in Loeb.
indeed...same like the ogier ford thing....ford approached but the answer was known long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
It is business. In business everything is possible... Especially where it is business based on huge money.
You are not right. This rumour started from Portugal. And I was speaking with people from Citroen about actual situation. Believe me, your thoughts are logic, but real situation is little bit different...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T