Toyota announces WRC plans

Sounds like a Mini WRC with a sore throat.

Tommi Mäkinen tests 1944 - 2016

https://youtu.be/BPaoOIEttcY?t=83

https://youtu.be/Y3YUhUApXv4?t=60

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Originally Posted by Lundefaret

Tommi is one of, if not the, best test driver(s) in WRC history. He has a very clear vision of how a WRC car should perform, some of it is very easily visible in the videos and pictures that have surfaced so far.
I think it would be a great mistake if he didnt take on an active roll on the testing and developing of the car.
I see it the other way around, when things start moving in 2017, with all the rallies and logistics etc, they Toyota Gazoo will have a "problem" in that Tommi cant be as active as he is now.

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Lunde, you're on the money here. Makinen is uniquely placed as a team principle to understand and guide technical development and it would be a waste of such a resource if he were not involved in testing.
Anyone who thinks this project will be undercooked or anything other than a full on effort doesn't know Toyota, Makinen, or rally history at all.

Rallyper, you've never been thought of in this forum as a bastion of rationality but nevertheless please refrain from putting the Greek twat on a pedestal. He may from time to time bring an element of childish humor however his propensity for insult surpasses any good and he is undeserving of your adulation.

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Lunde, you're on the money here. Makinen is uniquely placed as a team principle to understand and guide technical development and it would be a waste of such a resource if he were not involved in testing.
Anyone who thinks this project will be undercooked or anything other than a full on effort doesn't know Toyota, Makinen, or rally history at all.

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Again, it's not about Toyota WANTING to win. It's whether this team environment is the right one. People do know history, they know that Tommi had a car designed around him - great for him but Mitsubishi never won a championship and Toyota won last time with TMG.

Name the last successful team principal who was a great driver themselves, any motorsport team? (I don't count MW in this as list).

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Originally Posted by Grundo Farb

Again, it's not about Toyota WANTING to win. It's whether this team environment is the right one. People do know history, they know that Tommi had a car designed around him - great for him but Mitsubishi never won a championship and Toyota won last time with TMG.

Name the last successful team principal who was a great driver themselves, any motorsport team? (I don't count MW in this as list).

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Citroën, Guy Frequelin. Most successful team in WRC history.

Ove "Påven" Andersson. Toyota TTE (the company that became TMG.)

(To name two)

That the team principal is a former driver doesnt need to be an advantage, and can also be a disadvantage. But in Tommis case, in regards to developing the car, I personally believe its a big advantage. Toyota Gazoo doesnt have the budget of VW, that means they have to try to outsmart them. Mäkinens abilities as a test driver are unique, so this is something that can help in that matter. How Mäkinen will be as a team principal, I dont know. But from looking at the car from the current videos, its clear to see they have a certain plan. Looking forward to seeing it on the rough stuff too.

(This thing about Mäkinen having the Mitsubishi built "around him" is just as misunderstood as Loeb having the Citroën built "around him".)

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Originally Posted by Grundo Farb

Again, it's not about Toyota WANTING to win. It's whether this team environment is the right one. People do know history, they know that Tommi had a car designed around him - great for him but Mitsubishi never won a championship and Toyota won last time with TMG.

Name the last successful team principal who was a great driver themselves, any motorsport team? (I don't count MW in this as list).

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Mitsubishi won the championship 1998

http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?s=1998&nat=0

http://www.juwra.com/season_1998_points.html

What was Lasse Lampi job at ralliart during Makinen era?

I also see Makinen's direct involvement in testing as a positive thing, remember Sainz's involvement in polo's early development.

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Rallyper, you've never been thought of in this forum as a bastion of rationality but nevertheless please refrain from putting the Greek twat on a pedestal. He may from time to time bring an element of childish humor however his propensity for insult surpasses any good and he is undeserving of your adulation.

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Would never claim I am, neither should anyone else. I´m not putting NOT on a piedestal, only saying (like others) that he brings some salt and pepper to this forum.

Ignore him if you don´t like him.

I´m rational and make my comments after more than 50 years experience as a rallydriver/organizer/freak. Sometimes my swedish pedigree makes me a bit angry to all quotes about worthless drivers from other parts of the world. But that´s what we all do now and then.

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Originally Posted by Lundefaret

Citroën, Guy Frequelin. Most successful team in WRC history.

Ove "Påven" Andersson. Toyota TTE (the company that became TMG.)

(To name two)

That the team principal is a former driver doesnt need to be an advantage, and can also be a disadvantage. But in Tommis case, in regards to developing the car, I personally believe its a big advantage. Toyota Gazoo doesnt have the budget of VW, that means they have to try to outsmart them. Mäkinens abilities as a test driver are unique, so this is something that can help in that matter. How Mäkinen will be as a team principal, I dont know. But from looking at the car from the current videos, its clear to see they have a certain plan. Looking forward to seeing it on the rough stuff too.

(This thing about Mäkinen having the Mitsubishi built "around him" is just as misunderstood as Loeb having the Citroën built "around him".)

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Cool, thanks for that. Didn't know about those guys.