Or it could be a single engine failure in Estonia and a freak incident in Finland like the one Huttunen had in the same rallye.
It's rallying, stuff happens.
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Or it could be a single engine failure in Estonia and a freak incident in Finland like the one Huttunen had in the same rallye.
It's rallying, stuff happens.
Loubet also had an issue in Finland, immediately after service, which makes it look less random.
He ran both passes of the non-PS stage in stage mode and on PS he complained that the engine was losing power trough the stage.
Also Tänak had to have engine replaced in Finland PET.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
So seems like more than a coincidence to me
I checked and found the article
https://sport.postimees.ee/7821921/t...valja-vahetama
"Malcolm Wilson, the owner of M-Sport, confirmed to Postimeh that on Tuesday, Tänaku's car had a similar problem during the Finland rally test, and the machine had to have its power source replaced."
After Tanaks amazing win in Finland last year in the i20, I heard many comments that he drove the doors off it and the car probably disintegrated shortly after the last stage.
Maybe that's his style now and he drives a car as hard as it can be driven and if it breaks it breaks.
I wonder if all his cars faults and unreliability going back to his Toyota days, through Hyundai, and now M-Sport, have one common denominator...
it isnt his style, he said right after the Finland to Dirtfish he just drove like that cause there was no other way but he cant do it on other rallies and doesnt want toQuote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
dont make up your own BS
I didn't see that. What did he mean by 'he just drove like that' ? Like what, flat out and win or break the car trying ?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
TBH I dont blame him as his frustration must be massive by now, after the years wasted not challenging for the title.
You're quite silly, because now Loubet also has reliability issues and doesn't drive it as hard as Tanak for sure. Plus, in the Toyota days it was also all drivers with issues whenever they struck Ott as well, so it was a car problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Being a fan is fine but don't kid yourself, it's okay to recognize that the Puma is no longer up to the challenge of it's rivals.
Before the 2022 Finland event just a day before the start his wife got very sick and checked into the Hospital in Estonia. Ott wanted to forfeit the rally but his wife urged him to continue and he had a different state of mind after that. He went absolutely mad on this event but this style isn't sustainable and he said that already during the rally back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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You don't know how demanding Loubet is for a car. Slowish =! gentle to the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
The issue in Finland PET was like Estonia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Not much more info on this but from this article i read out that it was more or less the same yesQuote:
Originally Posted by becher
A well that would be different story then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
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Originally Posted by becher
dont believe it is a coincidence that in 2 months, on 3 different occasions there are some mysterious "engine trouble" that had to have an engine replaced on 2 occasions we didnt have on the first half of the year.
Is it true that Ott leaves Finland after 1st day of the rally?
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cvh61rjI...RlODBiNWFlZA==Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
Why would Ott leave MSport, he gets to spend more time with his family, as he wanted! jk
It is very common practice when someone retires that he leaves country as soon as possible, it has been the same in every team and every rally (seen that many times). And do not believe BS that French or other journalists are writing. Ott and Martin came to engineers office, talked to engineers, analysed what happened, even watched some rally and spent quiet a lot of time there, then shake everyone´s hand in office (including me) and then hurried to next ferry to Tallinn. It has been very intense period, time to rest a bit for everybody :)Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
Two of those for sure the one issue in Rally Finland, can very much be just a freak incident like it happend also to another driver in the same event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Tomi Tuominen also confirmed the story as total BS as he was doing a live tv show for CMore while Tänak was chatting with the M-Sport mechanics in the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
So did Malcolm....Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
I didnt count the Tänak Finland retirement since it has been sayd it was a hit that caused it, but i was reffering to Loubet's Sunday problems, it was right out the service so.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
M-Sport have listed job offer for engine engineer on their website :)
https://www.m-sport.co.uk/engine-engineerQuote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
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My Life & Cars – Malcolm Wilson, rally driver and WRC team boss
https://www.evo.co.uk/features/20606...-team-boss?amp
some gold from Millener again, i reallt dont get it why man with such a job has time to read comments on internet...
“I see a lot of comments on the internet like you know I do. I look at what’s going on, don’t necessarily take it all in but I think it just goes to show the difference between what you know on the inside of the team when you get the facts vs what can be perceived from the outside straightaway.
“The car was strong in Greece last year. Tänak’s great on Tarmac and we know it’s good on Tarmac having won in Monte Carlo and got good results, good performance on Tarmac.
speaking of results from over a year ago, a win in Monte Carlo 2022....
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/mille...of-the-season/
I wish Malcolm would give him the boot but that seems like a long shot at this point, and to think a couple of years ago we were physiqued about having Loeb in the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
50/50 about ,,the car was strong last year in Greece..''
Yes, two cars finished 4th and 5th, but..
Loeb had to retire because of alternator problem.
Greensmith retired because of some engine and technical issues..
Serderidis couldn't continue due to hybrid/technical problems.
Loubet didn't have to retire, but had problems with brakes, powersteering and engine also.
Malcolm should try to get Capito. Idk if he would want to return to rally, but is for sure less time-consuming than F1. And he was able to turn Williams into the right direction after many years of shit showing.
Last time Millener talked about keyboard warriors and I questioned if he has nothing better to do some poeple said it's his job to protect the company. Again he shows he's not fit by mentioning the same thing again, wasting time and energy while simultaneously making himself look ridiculous. Him mentioning Greece last year is the cherry on top. Greece where they had Loeb and his car let him down again while fighting at the top, like in Kenya. Now it could be all coincidence but this issues keep on happening.
Here's a hint Mr Millener: by aknowledging them in an interview you're only making the internet trolls stronger, maybe they're writing nonsense and have no clue what's going on inside the team and why the engines are failing, maybe they have a point as these keep happening. It doesn't matter, the fact is your cars are not finishing rallies. If you want to silence the trolls the only way is to shut up do a better job and get some podiums and maybe a win in the last rallies.
i was one of them, still am. and yes, he will keep doing the same stuff. m-sport runs on reputation, and this is not aimed at the internet troll. he's not acknowledging them, it's just normal stuff for his role washing his brand from sponsor's anxiety. we can't be fools and think that these people are talking to the fans when they tell such crap. it's just business. marketing is all, even here in the forum, we know it very well. honestly, most of the sponsors care less about the results than the internet reputation, "i like the blue car" wins over "m-sport was P1, 2 or x".Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
But is it really him, or have MSport got an AI Chatbot? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I agree with a lot of this and I do have some sympathy for Millener. Social media is massive nowadays and he is a fairly young guy and very aware of it unlike his boss, Mr Wilson. The attacks can be very painful, especially if their not seen as fact-based.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
However the reputation of the firm and the 'blue cars' cant be helped at all if they're often breaking down and sometimes not even restarting.
Joker spent on engine https://x.com/llluis555/status/16914...C1kV5QC61vX5XgQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
M-Sport need new talent in. Impressed by Olivier, he should get a rally2 and next year rally1 program
I'm afraid a young driver can ruin his/her career in wrong car/team, it can of course go well too.
Depends on driver probably, if its oliver doing bad people will blame the car, if he doing good he is next god.
If its"wrong'' driver, i don't mention his name, he is useless if its going bad, if its going good, the car is much better again....
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if i would be Oliver i would definitely go for Toyota Rally2 seat and some outings in Rally1 car instead of M-sportQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpine-110
M-sport would be the second choice for him i guess because of the history with Hyundai and Thierry
Map changeQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
The question is not where Oliver wants to go, but just as much which team wants him. It seems toyota's lineup is pretty solid with rovanpera, evans and katsuta. But perhaps in a 4th car.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
M-Sport Ford Puma Rally1 takes to the stage in Aberystwyth
https://www.raliceredigion.co.uk/art...n-aberystwyth/
A video on YouTube about the early days of the Escort Cosworth, it also looks at Malcolm Wilson Motorsport the forerunner of Msport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMx5mQzfGGU