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I am sure that R5 cars can be in very good condition in private hands. I think that Gemini Citroen DS3 R5 was better than any other factory car. I think that Fabias of BRR or Kresta Racing are on similar level like factory cars. So with private cars you can beat factory cars. But there are different issues - if you are going with factory, you have lot of kms of testing before events, you have almost no limits with changing spare parts etc. I think that is the biggest difference between privateer and factory driver...Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Not so big success of Peugeot, Citroen or Hyundai is from different reasons, for me. Peugeot and Citroen had bad reputation from beginning and they had (and still have) issues which are not working at all. With the Hyundai it is different story - I think that factory made a mistake with "promotion" - there is not enough strong drivers who should show the potential of the car...
As next year there will be build only very limited number of cars and interest is really huge, they have a chance to choose. So primary they will deliver the cars to big teams like BRR or to the teams with official dealership support and also to strong markets... When they will make more cars, it will go also to other teams...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRC1
Polo looks nice but as the road car is so wide it doesn't look as wild as some other R5s.
From that one video it has a similar lazy, long geared sound to the Fabia, but that's no surprise.
Can You post link to the video?
The twitter link on the previous page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Quentin Giordano
4 days of test with the #i20R5 @HMSGOfficial, it was top! We keep the rhythm for the 2018! #SarrazinMotorsport
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Μaybe i wasn't clear enough.I was not reffering to national championsips,we all know that Paolos car in Italy was perfect for example.I mean how good are to international level.About Fabias of BRR or Kresta Racing the car is also running by factory team and that's why these cars are so good,we say the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Polo video from Colin Clark facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/voiceofrall...I00a4tMtmy-q_Y
if you just design the car(even if the product is really good) and you do not follow it to rallies as a factory team i think you have a HUGE disadvantage compared to other teams that follow their cars with their official engineers.i have been many times to tests and the difference between a factory team and a private team is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE from all aspects.I think there is a big difference to collect the data directly (from your own )than from a team that you have a cooperation.By that they know the car much better and can evolve it more efficiently
Sure VW will send their "data people" to rallies for customers, just like M-Sport and Skoda are doing.
Difficult to say for sure but from this photo it looks like the Polo has a more conventional front suspension layout than the Skoda: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQcswolVQAAXc5e.jpg
diferent platforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Fabia - PQ24
Polo - PQ25 (same new Seat Ibiza and Audi A1)
Footage of testing in Wales
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV1sRdGhbFg
Fabia III is PQ26, Polo VI is MQB.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICARDO75
PQ24 (Fabia II/S2000) and PQ 25 (Polo V/WRC) were nearly same, the difference was that PQ25 was 4WD adapted variant of PQ24 I believe.
Anyway the answer to the question about front strut design definitely isn't in the used platform.
Of course, just visual similarities from photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
But VW will 'build-on' the strengths of the Fabia wont they... or will koda not allow them the full info about their car ?
DS3 and 208T16 shared a lot between them even though both were PSA... will VAG ?
That's what I found on the net. But anyway, I believe more in youQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
New/speculation from Sweden: http://www.emotorsport.se/nyheter.ph...yhets_id=14665
it says tha development can get cheap for the Opel. The new Corsa has the same platform as the C3. Due to that most parts can be reused.
Opel also awaits the new R2 rules, and expect also here to let development happen in france, and have one ready in 2019.
Good to get more brands, to have freedom of choice, and also possibility to get support from national importers.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Great shots, Raimund Baumschlager behind the wheel.
Thank you! Some of those images are mine (RallyCaptures).Quote:
Originally Posted by tc10a
Great job :)
I don't really understand VAGs Motorsport strategy tbh. Sure they can borrow a lot of stuff off Skoda to keep the development costs down, and an R5 programme should be profit making. But on the other hand they will probably damage the sales of Skoda Motorsport (indeed we've already seen that if BRR are moving to the Polo)
Sure they will bring some extra sales to the market from local VW importers e.t.c. but every Polo sale is not going to equal an extra R5 sale.
We could see from different point of view: They have knowledge form S2000, WRC, R5 programs, using that building car in other platform than Fabia R5 with low resources (while Fabia R5 is relatively new car), which would help to adapt R5 to other brand names (like SEAT) quite easy.
PSA doing same, and only because their car isn't good enough, that don't work for them very well.
They’re using the TCR recipe (the Golf and the A3 are based in the Leon), which proved to work fine. Besides, VW will not be competing Skoda as rival manu team and they’re contributing for a bigger diversity of R5 models, helping national and regional series to get stronger.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I just hope VAG Motorsport programmes don't go the same way as the road car business where increasingly they are rebranding the same product and building them in the same factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Well itīs much more wrong that some people prefer Ford or VW with Mitsubishi engine (those Proto cars)Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
or that new R4...
I donīt care where they built those R5īs.
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Originally Posted by pantealex
According to the British Rally Championship Twitter page, the R5 VW and Proton will be on the BRC stand at the Autosport Show in January. I imagine in the case of the Polo it'll be the mock-up we saw on 4th December, but we'll see.
https://twitter.com/MSA_BRC/status/940665059717476352
Have Tommi & Co started this project at all yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
if yes, will we see testing in 2018?
If I am not mistaken Toyota doesnīt have proper engine and thatīs all folks.
Yes, it was mentioned here already in Tommi's own words.
Found it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Sorry, but the teflon layer grows thicker for oldies running towards 60!
The Czech brand concentrates its approval jokers for 2018 in the power unit of the Fabia R5.
The aim of the brand is none other than to give the car more power and torque, as well as to provide it with a power strip that is easier to use. The Skoda Fabia R5 has remained throughout this season among the favorites of its category and specifications, still ahead of the improvements obtained by Hyundai and M-Sport.
For 2018 new rivals are added, such as the Citroën C3 R5, which replaces the DS3 R5 or the Volkswagen Polo GTI R5, with which, a priori, should not have direct competition, since both belong to the Volkswagen Group.
Chief engineer Skoda, Ales Rada, is responsible for the development of the Fabia R5, who said: "The main focus is on the engine. For me it makes sense to use the five jokers in this area. It makes it easier for customers to update their cars and they are up to date. "
http://www.autohebdosport.es/rallyes...motor-fabia-r5
Bad news for the opposition when the Skoda already has the strongest engine.
Any ideas when these updates will debut?
does anybody know how much bhp have r5 engines?
AFAIK 300-320 Hp.
Power is like Mirek wrote. At the moment strongest engine is in Hyundai I think. But really not that big differences between all the cars in latest specs, even this year PSA engines became really OK.