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Originally Posted by indycool

Yep. Both road races.

Only ex-(or current) CC fans still talk about standing starts. Fuel settings have been around for some time. Parades come on road and street courses and that's just a natural after side-by-sides on ovals. I haven't seen a thing about power teams and have nots of any consequence, other than Sarah Fisher offered Penske a car if he needed one when his truck burned down. You're never going to have "non-"influential owners. There are plenty of elements that are involved in auto racing, including the fans, and sponsors, promoters, car owners, etc., are GOING to have influence. It's ex-CC people yapping about cars and engines and dissing the Dallara on racing forums. Cost controls are still in place and the CC crowd made out quite generously on them by blendification, so nobody's yapping about that. Turbos? They've said it's on the table for the future specs and that's through meetings with potential manufacturers. No one seems to mind. Red tires? They might have them available but not mandatory. VS? Lot of talk but on ly time will tell.

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I have no idea what that mumbojumbo is suppossed to mean.....


again.... 90% of the fans at a pro-irl board believe that the current direction of the IRL closely resembles that of Failed bankrupt series...

I find that concerning.... i guess you don't

Ken, you are a master of misrepresentation.

If you said that the direction acts like the old PPG Indy Car World Series in the '80s, when PPG powered CART with serious bucks at the time and grew the sport around Indy, I'd say that direction is pretty accurate.

If you said (as you have) that the series is mimicking the failed bankrupt series (CART without Indy) or CC (without much of anything except four years wasted), it's absolutely untrue.

And if you sell the latter in that poll at the other forum and give the posters THAT choice, you'll find the response far different, IMO.

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Originally Posted by indycool

Only ex-(or current) CC fans still talk about standing starts.

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Does that include the announcers on the internet video of practice on Friday? There was quite a bit of talk about it there.

Gary

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Originally Posted by indycool

Ken, you are a master of misrepresentation.

If you said that the direction acts like the old PPG Indy Car World Series in the '80s, when PPG powered CART with serious bucks at the time and grew the sport around Indy, I'd say that direction is pretty accurate.

If you said (as you have) that the series is mimicking the failed bankrupt series (CART without Indy) or CC (without much of anything except four years wasted), it's absolutely untrue.

And if you sell the latter in that poll at the other forum and give the posters THAT choice, you'll find the response far different, IMO.

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it's amazing how little credit you give diehard AOWRfans

Didn't hear it, Gary, but if you say they speculated on it, I believe you.

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Originally Posted by Ken

I have no idea what that mumbojumbo is suppossed to mean.....


again.... 90% of the fans at a pro-irl board believe that the current direction of the IRL closely resembles that of Failed bankrupt series...

I find that concerning.... i guess you don't

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And how is trying to recreate the most successful and popular era of AOWR a bad thing?

Personally I find that the opposite of concerning.

CART failed because it lost the Indy 500. Last time I looked, the IRL still has it.

The guys at TF are simpletons that think racing only exists on ovals. Sure, there may be bad road/street races such as Belle Isle and Sonoma, but the same thing goes for ovals. (Motegi, Kansas, Homestead, etc, etc) That doesn't mean the IRL should drop all ovals, so why the double standard?

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Originally Posted by -Helix-

And how is trying to recreate the most successful and popular era of AOWR a bad thing?

Personally I find that the opposite of concerning.

CART failed because it lost the Indy 500. Last time I looked, the IRL still has it.

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are they recreating CART circa 1995.... or CART/CC 1996-2007

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Originally Posted by Ken

are they recreating CART circa 1995.... or CART/CC 1996-2007

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Well, it sounds like you're just trying to recreate an argument that everybody else it over. :s nore:

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Originally Posted by Ken

are they recreating CART circa 1995.... or CART/CC 1996-2007

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Well lets see... theres ONE series... with the Indy 500... which CART does that sound more like?

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Originally Posted by JSH

Well, it sounds like you're just trying to recreate an argument that everybody else it over. :s nore:

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everyone else is over?

you can't be serios.... or just not reading the boards becuase some serios long time supporters are not happy about the current direction of NAOWR