Israel will be thrilled. But they are probably disappointed that it's Red Crescent and not Red Cross. A red cross is much easier to aim at than a red crescent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
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Israel will be thrilled. But they are probably disappointed that it's Red Crescent and not Red Cross. A red cross is much easier to aim at than a red crescent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
No, it's a part of Palestine:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine
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Palestine (Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל, Eretẓ Yisra'el; formerly ארץ–כנען, Eretẓ Kena'an; also פלשׂתינה, Palestina; Arabic: فلسطين Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn) is a conventional name used, among others, to describe a geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, and various adjoining lands.[1]
As a geographic term, Palestine can refer to "ancient Palestine," an area that today includes Israel and the Israeli-occupied [2] Palestinian territories, as well as part of Jordan, and some of both Lebanon and Syria.[1] In classical or contemporary terms, it is also the common name for the area west of the Jordan River.
Why did she apologize? Israel never apologizes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
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White House press legend quits amid Israel row
Veteran White House journalist Helen Thomas, who has covered every US president since John F Kennedy, has abruptly retired amid a storm of criticism over her controversial remarks about Israel.
The departure of Thomas, 89, as a Hearst Newspapers columnist was announced after she was captured on video saying Israelis should "get the hell out of Palestine" and suggesting they go "home" to Germany, Poland or the United States.
The comments drew widespread condemnation, including from the White House.
Thomas, long considered the dean of the White House press corps, apologised for her statements, recorded in an impromptu interview dated May 27 and posted on a website.
Hey I just freakin solved big world problems.
1. Helen Thomas - Leader of the UN
2. US gives Israel 3 miles buffer of Arizona land on the Mexican Border.
Now talk about brilliant - Sh!t I should get the nobel peace prize.
Israel Nuclear threat removed
US Mexico border 100% secure
Pales get a country complete with housing and hotels and infrastructure and resorts
The only blockade you will have is the Rio Grande
Send me in NOW !!
It's funny this land has been called the land of Israel for millenia yet you seem so eager to use a name that was only used after the ottomans left less than a century ago. Heck it wasn't even invented by the palestinians (who joined the wagon nontheless) but by the brits who governed it for only about thirty years. I'd like to know when was this place part of a palestinian country ruled by 'palestinians'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Exactly :) Both sides need to back down or else this will continue on indefinitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
No more mexican food though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Tbh that's a better idea than what's going on at the moment.
and thousands of years ago your people were slaves to the Egyptians.... does this mean they have a right to you? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
And what was before that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
On the flotilla note, Hamas isn't allowing the goods that went off the ships. If there is such a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza, why are their leaders witholding aid?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...-gaza-1.293943
This is from a very left wing newspaper, one which is regularly quoted by Camelopard who I wouldn't call pro-Israel.Quote:
Hamas will not allow goods from an aid flotilla raided by Israel to enter the blockaded Gaza Strip, a spokesman for the Islamist organization said Thursday.
Ahmed al-Kurd, Social Welfare Minister in the Hamas government which rules Gaza, said Hamas would block the aid cargo until Israel met all of the group's conditions.
why dont we all go back to where we were 2000 years ago? :rolleyes:
So you agree people should stay put for the time being?Quote:
Originally Posted by SOD
I agree.
NO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
There's people scattered all over the world who have living memories of living peacefully in what you call eretz israel, when now someone else lives in their old homes.
It's not my fault they listened to their brothers in the arab armies who told them they should get out so they could return afterwards after the arab armies would reclaim the land in 1948. They were promised they could return and claim all the riches of the jewish settlements. I feel sorry for them that they listened.Quote:
Originally Posted by SOD
they didn't leave under their own free will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
The Israelies wouldn't do that, would they?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...section=justin
Sydney Morning Herald journalist Paul McGeough says footage captured of the recent deadly raid on a Gaza aid flotilla has been re-edited for Israeli purposes.
Mr McGeough was onboard the flotilla with another Fairfax journalist when it was raided earlier this month, killing nine pro-Palestinian activists.
He has told triple j's Hack program his equipment and footage were seized by Israeli officials before he was deported.
"The imagery that was in various cameras is now being edited and put out by the Israeli Defence Force as their account of the events on the ships," he said.
Mr McGeough says Fairfax and Australian authorities are working to have the property returned.
The full interview with Paul McGeough will be on triple j tonight
I beg to differ:Quote:
Originally Posted by SOD
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Abu Mazen wrote in an article entitled "Madha `Alamna wa-Madha Yajib An Na`mal" [What We Have Learned and What We Should Do], published in "Falastineth-Thawra" [Revolutionary Palestine], the official journal of the PLO, Beirut, March 1976, "The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland...The Arab States succeeded in scattering the Palestinian people."
Khaled al-`Azm, who served as Prime Minister of Syria in 1948 and 1949, wrote in his memoirs (published in Beirut, 1973), that among the reasons for the Arab failure in 1948 was "the call by the Arab Governments to the inhabitants of Palestine to evacuate it and to leave for the bordering Arab countries, after having sown terror among them...Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave...We have brought destruction upon a million Arab refugees, by calling upon them and pleading with them to leave their land, their homes, their work and business..." (Part 1, pp. 386-387).
Harry C. Stebbens, who was in an official position in the British Mandatory Government in Palestine in 1947-48, wrote in the London Evening Standard (Friday, 10 January, 1969):
"Long before the end of the British mandate, between January and April, 48, practically all my Arab Palestinian staff of some 200 men and women and all of the 1800 labor force had left Haifa in spite of every possible effort to assure them of their safety if they stayed.
"They all left for one or more of the following reasons:
The Arab terrorism engendered by the November, 1947, U.N. partition resolution frightened them to death of their imaginative souls and they feared Jewish retaliation.
Propagandists promised a blood bath as soon as the mandate ended in which the street of all the cities would run with blood.
The promised invasion by the foreign Arab armies (which started on May 14, 1948, with the Arab Legion massacre of some 200 Jewish settlers at Kfar Etzion) was preceded by extensive broadcasts from Cairo, Damascus, Amman, and Beirut to the effect that any Arabs who stayed would be hanged as collaborators with the Jews.
"The Palestinian Arabs were the victims then, as in 1967, of their own propaganda, and having on the average no stomach for violence they ran. I have met many of my Palestinian Arab friends since in Beirut, Damascus, Amman, and in the Persian Gulf states, and they have all without exception gladly told me that they had wished they had listened to me and stayed - as did some 200,000 who became and still are the most economically advanced Arabs in the Middle East.
The massacre of Kfar Etzion, the massacre of the hospital convoy killed 48 Jewish doctors and nurses, the continued shelling and blasting of Jewish settlement for more than 20 years, has not caused one single Israeli to move away. They sit tight and if necessary in their shelters while across the river, where the shooting comes from, the towns and villages are deserted, last year's crops still rot on the trees and the refugees move still further away from any trouble."How long will the Palestinian Arabs continue the myth that they were kicked out, every time they ran away from trouble and got themselves into more trouble?"
Jamal Husseini, in charge of the Palestine Higher Committee, told the Security Council on 23 April 1948, "we have never concealed the fact that we began the fighting."
On 6 September 1949, the Beirut Telegraph carried an interview with Mr. Emile Ghoury, Secretary of the Palestine Higher Committee, in which he said:
"The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the act of the Arab States in opposing partition and the Jewish State."
The Jordan daily Falastin wrote on 19 February 1949: "The Arab States which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, have failed to keep their promises to help these refugees."
As late as 12 October 1963, the Cairo daily Akhbar el-Yom, recalled:
"15 May 1948 arrived...on that very day the Mufti of Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country, because the Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead..."
A British police report to Jerusalem Headquarters on 26 April 1948 attested: "Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab population to stay and carry on with their normal lives..."
In Haifa, on 27 April 1948, the Arab National Committee refused to sign a truce, reporting in a memorandum to the Arab League Governments: "when the delegation entered the conference room it proudly refused to sign the truce and asked that the evacuation of the Arab population and their transfer to neighboring Arab countries be facilitated...The military and civil authorities and the Jewish representatives expressed their profound regret. The mayor of Haifa (Mr. Shabtai Levi) adjourned the meeting with a passionate appeal to the Arab population to reconsider its decision..."
And here is a quote from one of your own....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansi..._bxgy_b_text_c
From Publishers Weekly
Starred Review. In his latest work, renowned Israeli author and academic Pappe (A History of Modern Palestine) does not mince words, doing Jimmy Carter one better (or worse, depending on one's point of view) by accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity beginning in the 1948 war for independence, and continuing through the present. Focusing primarily on Plan D (Dalet, in Hebrew), conceived on March 10, 1948, Pappe demonstrates how ethnic cleansing was not a circumstance of war, but rather a deliberate goal of combat for early Israeli military units led by David Ben-Gurion, whom Pappe labels the "architect of ethnic cleansing." The forced expulsion of 800,000 Palestinians between 1948-49, Pappe argues, was part of a long-standing Zionist plan to manufacture an ethnically pure Jewish state. Framing his argument with accepted international and UN definitions of ethnic cleansing, Pappe follows with an excruciatingly detailed account of Israeli military involvement in the demolition and depopulation of hundreds of villages, and the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Arab inhabitants. An accessible, learned resource, this volume provides important inroads into the historical antecedents of today's conflict, but its conclusions will not be easy for everyone to stomach: Pappe argues that the ethnic cleansing of Palestine continues today, and calls for the unconditional return of all Palestinian refugees and an end to the Israeli occupation. Without question, Pappe's account will provoke ire from many readers; importantly, it will spark discussion as well.
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.
Just goes to show whatever you find, I can find stuff that says the opposite.......
I don't think a person who invented a massacre is credible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
I read this as:
Dear israel,
now that we no longer need you to be our b*tch in the ME.
We want you be a buffer between ourselves and the restless Mexicans.
Signed,
A reasonable American
If you assume that a generation is about 30 years, then that means that in 2000 years there has been roughly 66 generations. If we also assume that every person has two parents, then that means that their two parents also has two parents each, giving us four, etc and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SOD
For 66 generations we get, for every person alive some 73,786,976,294,838,206,464 in that 66th generation or more 150 million times more people than there's ever been in the history of the planet.
Thus everyone, came from everywhere else, and is related to everyone else.
I don't know about you lot, but I'm claiming Buck House, and with it, the throne of the United Kingdom (and with it all other thrones as well).
Oi peasants, bow before your new world leader, King Rollo I.
More grovelling please... :D
Then why did you say: " (the foreign born Jews and other non-Arabs)"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Details, details, details....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
Because they were born outside Palestine (or Israel if you like) and immigrated there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...re/newpop.html
There are 5,726,000 Jews in Israel. About 4 million of them (70%) were born in Israel (part of geographical Palestine) and about 2 million (30%) outside of it.Quote:
Of the country’s Jewish and non-Arab population, 70 percent were born in Israel (sabras). In 1948, only 35 percent of Jews were born in the country.
Can you show me a genuine map printed before the Ottoman rule that says "Israel"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
Some Finns are setting up a security company in Iran. Maybe they could get a gig protecting aid convoys to Gaza:
http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/...n_1743838.html
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Finns to Offer Security Services in Iran
published today 01:06 PM, updated today 02:52 PM
Some veterans in the security business here in Finland are setting up a security company in Iran. It’s a pioneering project, as it is said to be the first western security business in Islamic Iran. The Finnish founders believe their services to be in demand among the many western companies based in the country.
There seem to be few private security businesses in Iran and private bodyguards are most commonly hired directly from the streets without professional experience.
According to market research done by the Finnish security entrepreneur Auvo Niiniketo, there’s a need for professionalism in the Iranian security Industry. In addition to regular security guard services, Niiniketo is planning to offer bodyguard services, event security and general protection services. After entering the country's international market, he intends to sell his services to local businesses as well.
Niiniketo is planning to run the company with local manpower. He says, it wouldn’t make sense to bring in Finnish security personnel to Iran for anything else than exceptional events. “Practical security work would be done by locals, and we would train them and be responsible for them,” says Niiniketo.
Iran is politically unstable and currently foreign businesses may encounter prejudice. Subsequently, Niiniketo has taken Iranian partners into his company board, which he says, will guarantee cooperation with local officials, and smoothen the way to get a licence for his business.
Niiniketo established his close relations to his Iranian business partners through his activity in martial arts. He has trained Iranians in the martial art of jujutsu for years and worked closely with the local martial arts union. “The idea to establish a security business came from my jujutsu contacts, who knew that I worked in the security industry as well,” says Niiniketo.
Then you think palestinians are Arabs as you said-- "and other non-Arabs"Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
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Israel is not in Arabia.
It's a good thing he plans to use local help. I certainly wouldn't accept a contract over there.
I'm sure he'd find others. I mean, Blackwater found staff who accepted a contract in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran is nothing compared to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_Worldwide
At least the Jewish Virtual Library seems to think they are. But what does it have to do with the immigration problem in Palestine, more specifically in the part currently occupied by those who insist calling it Israel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
If palestinians are Arabs, they can go back to Arabia where they came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Where is Arabia? Arabia is a language, not a piece of land. You could as well say the Israeli Jews can go back to Hebrew where they came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
You take my point though. I think sometimes you just have to accept that things are as they are and try to get a workable solution out of it. The Israeli's aren't going anywhere and I certainly don't expect you to. The Palestinians need to accept this too, BUT you also need to accept that the Palestinians need a place where they're free from opression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
What Israel is doing is no better than what Nazi Germany did to your people during WW2.
I'm sure they'll agree to that if you agree to go back to your cave :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
He might find some Belgian, Spanish, or Arab ex-legionnaires to accept contracts, but he is going to have to pay them above average. Blackwater and other contractors (Blackwater wasn't the only one, there are quite a few) provide security services and/or hired soldiers to governments or companies involved with government contracts. There is a direct government connection. The Finn wants to provide protection for individuals. I think they will be constantly running afoul of some Iranian government security agency to the point it's just not worth the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Daniel you are out of line unless you can show us concentration camps, death camps and gas chambers where millions are being murdered.
Eki a while back you finally agreed Israel had a right to exist.
I do not know of any free country who does not make their own decisions on immigration. What gives you or anyone else the right to tell them who they should allow in?
Technically the Israels are as much a Semetic tribe as any Palestinian.
i hope you charge when educate theese fools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Or Finnish ex-legionnaires. Or just Finnish security professionals. Of course he would have to pay them more than in Finland, he'd probably have to do that in any foreign country. I don't think Iran is a very dangerous country, although they have their share of terrorists and violent demonstrations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
Why would they do that? They probably couldn't get a permission to operate in Iran without an approval from the government, so they'd probably be fighting anti-government and criminal gangs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiero 5.7
As a human race we've moved on so much in the last 70 odd years. What the Israeli's are doing now is just as unpalatable as what Hitler did all those years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
The difference to most countries is that in most countries governments set up by immigrants don't take land from the original residents and give it to their immigrant buddies while squeezing the originals into a small hell hole surrounded by a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
That was probably before this latest atrocity by Israel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter