He's in the regroup before the power stage at Vieira do Minho, there's a 38km road section to the stage then the stage then another 86km road section to the finish !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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He's in the regroup before the power stage at Vieira do Minho, there's a 38km road section to the stage then the stage then another 86km road section to the finish !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Evans 9min late in TC. So he can't go for points now?
For Sunday, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
I mean Power Stage points?Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
If car works, he can. Time penalties don't prevent that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
If I remember correctly.. had he taken penalty before PS and therefore not starting on given position, then can't drive for PS points.
It prevents ,,sitting in the bush'' and waiting for better start position..
This is true but regulations do not make any mention regarding time penalties, only stating that "Any crew which does not start the Power Stage in the given order will not be eligible to score Power Stage points" (WRC regulations art 50.4).Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Ott and tenths again ugh
This will hurt Tänak.
Overall basically didn’t gain anything on Neuville
If I calculated correctly, it's once again that winner doesn't score most points (Tanak gets 26 to Ogier's 25 pts).
Gained 3 points on Neuville? made larger gains on Evans & Fourmaux though, should get that third place. At least he's got (finally) his first podium of the year.
Ogier here showing a master class, so annoying he's not doing a full championship, I'm aware he has his reasons but it seems he hasn't lost any of his competitiveness since he retire at the end of 2021.
Will see, he is doing next 2 rallies with good starting positions.. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Tanak gained 2p over Neuville. Gap would have been same with old point system: 18+4 and 15+5..
Congratulations to Ogier for the win, great performance! For me, winner is also Neuville, he got 24 points from 1st on the road. If it rains on Sardegna, he is a real favourite for title
What was so great? He had another advantageous road position and once again benefitted from others crashing......Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
Only 2 points, would have been 4 if he had been faster than him on PS and Ogier wouldnt have let Neuville pass in sunday standings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
I think i agree that the biggest winner was Neuville, first from the road and to gain 24 points from here. I cant see anyone beating him for the title this year, at the moment not at least, he is just so strong.
Very good rally from Tänak, not feeling comfortable in the car at all but still managed to fight for the win, such a shame about that low puncture. He got 5 stage wins, he had 5 stage wins in total before this rally. But like he said, this wont work out at every rally.
Very good rally overall, exciting all the time. Bring on Sardinia!
Great is to be fast and in the same time not to crash. An he was overall fastest of those, who did not crash.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I think Ogier isn't as fast and as consistent as he was in his prime (when he was both very fast and very consistent), but he's an old fox who knows how to win a rally. If he was in the championship, then he let Tanak outscore him and Neuville only 1 point behind despite finishing 3rd, but Ogier cares for rally wins now and he did very good on that regard.
Finally a great rally for Ott in the Hyundai. Great also from Neuville, 1st on the road, especially compared to Evans. Evans was unlucky with the engine gremlins, but too slow this weekend in any case. Fourmaux keeps showing maturity.
Let's see if Evans will improve his pace on Sardegna. 24 points is now quite a big difference tbh.. With this new points systemQuote:
Originally Posted by focus206
3 fast gravel rallies incoming after Sardegna, where Tanak and Evans are faster than Neuville. If Tanak keeps performing like this then I still see him in the title fight and it could be down to luck, if Neuville's Hyundai breaks down one more time than Tanak's or vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
To me the limit is 30... one serious mechanical problem and +24 can be transformed into -1, -2, -3 etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
Yeah bro, I agree. Sardegna will be important.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
1:40 penalty for Solans?
Exactly, he played his cards perfectly and got his result. Time and time again he shows why he's the greatest in the game. That not everybody can be dealt the same cards isn't his fault, it's the nature of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negaiss
OSS vs NSS after Portugal
https://i.ibb.co/m5N2t4B/points-portugal.jpg
Indeed. Remember that rovanpera also had a great starting position but didn't win.
Pajari SS21 last corner
https://ralli.ee/wp-content/uploads/...512831_n-1.jpg
WRC.com shows so indeed..Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
10min late to TC22A
Something happened with car or stuck in traffic on road section.?
Evans confirmed a stone damaged the radiator. He was lucky in a way to get to the finish today or it would've been a zero point score.
Dont believe results on wrc.com ; there is usually lot of mistakes...Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
I think this will be Thierry’s year, with Rovanperä & Ogier out of the way doing part time campaigns, Tänak playing catch up & Mr. Evans being unable to disrupt Thierry’s podium finishes (meaning he finishes at least one step ahead of him). The only person imho that can take away Neuville’s title is himself if he makes the same stupid mistakes he made back in 2017. He’s riding the wave atm, and he knows this might be his last shot to take the title this year before he retires (willingly or not), using the new point scoring system to his advantage. Even with rallies such as Latvia & Finland, as long as he manages to keep his lead, he will take it. Yes I know we’re only 5 rounds in, but it seems he’s gonna take it even when he’ll struggle.
Summary from Tänak's interview - he needs to adapt himself to the car to be at least somewhere, but this is not the way to reach the level of "I'm controlling others with my tempo". He was talking about something that the team pressured/motivated him to take risks and with usual/normal circumstances it does not work out that way but it was delivering this time. Without the tire issue (slow puncture) the fight for the win would be more interesting.
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This year, basically only crashing on Sunday will be punished. If it happens on Friday or Saturday and the car is repairable, you can still earn a lot of points from Sunday. It means mistakes are not that much punished and the wins are not valued which makes it harder to make a difference in the points table.
Neuville was made really good powerstage to earn PowerStage and Sunday points. Tänak earned only 2 points against Neuville with the rally. Without any retirement for Neuville, the cap is quite big already and it's hard to fight it back.
Fourmaux proves to be another Tänak and Evans scenario from Wilson. He has a decent start to the season and is a nice mix to the game, at least making team plays more complicated, as there are not only Toyotas and Hyundais, but there can be also one M-Sport guy.
Taka is a bit mysterious - first, he had the mysterious speed for Friday, but maybe it's again the thing I call the "Friday hero". Showing really good times from a favorable starting position (I'm not sure it was the case this time), but if the competition gets complicated and there is pressure in place, he makes mistakes. He can put the fastest times quite often already, this is already normal, not something exceptional. If he could deliver under pressure, rallies will get more interesting again.
Evans was so many ways lost that I don't even know what to think about it.
Hyundai's poor reliability can make him or break him as well. Even though I must say that all Hyundais were almost perfect in Portugal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
On gravel, crashing on Friday or Saturday means bad road position for SundayQuote:
Originally Posted by meh
Thanks for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
I agree that with this years points system it’s really hard to catch another driver if the other driver doesn’t have a zero point rally basically. And the 30 point gap is quite a big one now compared to previous seasons system.
Then again, Tänak gained 20 points against Evans with Portugal so it is possible
I started to believe in Tanak with this rally and thinking he will be fighting for the win with Ogier again in Sardegna
Final classification is out and Solans is still at his place, all good.
Taka was a friday hero, but so were ogier, rovanpera and sordo.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
Tänak got 20 points closer to Evans, but as the main reason was a bad rally for Evans, I would say that Evans lost 20 points to Tänak, not Tänak gained.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
The point is, if the other one does not have a disaster rally, it's hard to gain big points.
Yes, that's true. Let's say Tänak, Neuville or Evans start Sunday with super-rally, there is quite a big chance that they can get more than 0 points. It's not earning a lot, but it's minimizing the damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
At the moment I would say that the new scoring system has provided a tool for Tänak to save his season. It has been bad, but without Sunday points it would be a disaster.