Extending his lead to 3,2 seconds
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Extending his lead to 3,2 seconds
Solans dind't start the stage?
Pajari didn't seem happy the last couple of stages, I thought he was taking it a bit easy in the onboard.
Still, I think he was smart to drive his own rally and not try to battle Linnamae who was way down the running order.
For me the onboard looked quite messy, like he was completely out of rhytm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
Now I think about it more, perhaps you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I like the surprises and the adverse weather conditions, the problem for me is the fact we have 4 top tier cars in the top 10. It’s not complaining for the sake of it, no matter how much it’s dressed up as “only because of weather conditions”, the same thing will happen again during the season.
im sorry guys that i will come back to the topic of neuville's issue but something just came into my mind.. If there was really some strategy, then why they didn't get a penalty before brattby? Everyone knew that it will be a big struggle.. then they would benefit even more.
Nice rally so far! I to like the fact that the rally2's are in the mix for podium spots!
Dealing whit the car you have, and with the condition of the roads given, proper rally action!
Nice 2 way battle stil in the front! lets hope Taka can keep the fight up!
Is there any snow expected for tomorrow again?
So... end of Friday. Not the sort of Rally Sweden I was hoping for, but here we are.
I read earlier the forecast is dry, so can we figure we can expect cleaning but not nearly as much as this afternoon? Do any pundits want to predict that?
Taka and EP are about a minute clear, with a moderate road position advantage. They should stay 1/2, my money's on Lappi.
It's nice for Oliver to be third, but I don't think he'll stay top 4 in normal weather.
I reckon Evans + Yaris can beat Fourmaux + Puma and get to third tomorrow. They're good enough to overcome the time/order disadvantage. Then Evans can think about Sunday points.
Neuville should probably set out to overhaul the WRC2 guys and otherwise think about Sunday.
Will Pajari be adjacent to Linnamae in the road order, or are they somehow in different categories?
what about the conditions is unworthy?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Different conditions will always happen in sports that happens outside, part of the deal.
I think if the names where reversed, nobody would accuse Evans of "dirty" tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
Whats the point of even having a competition if the results are only depending on the starting position of the competitior? Why even race if drivers or cars have hardly any influence on how fast they go?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
I've seen many rallies and they are hardly ever fair. I have seen the occasional backmarker making a great tire gamble and getting way up front.
But i have never seen results like these, where there is no connection between the skill of the driver and the times they put on the board.
Once bertelli goes faster than Evans and neuville, it's just not a competition anymore. A spectacle, sure. Lots of drama, great to see for some, like american wrestling. But when it's not about the skill of the competitior it's not a serious sport.
I don't like this disparity of conditions either, but as something exceptional and not the rule, I can accept it. It's a natural condition of the road, at least not something created for artificial entertainment. Who would have thought Lappi, Katsuta and Oliver with a Rally2 in the top 3 after Day 1.
I highly doubt Neuville/Hyundai would deploy unsportmanlike tactics for such a small gain in the second round of the championship, bonnet or no bonnet. Neuville is still in no man's land and will have to think about the Rally2 cars tomorrow.
Obviously you didn't see many rallies. Ogier was fourth overall in Monte Carlo driving a Fabia S2000 before he crashed. Prokop (!) in S2000 won a stage in Sweden. Ogier finished 5th overall in S2000 in Sardinia (and won a stage overall). Those are just several examples. If you check that Monte Carlo 2012 you can see that in stages like Burzet a 4th car was about a minute down in stage in both passes. Things like that keep happening all the time through the history of rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
You know the Jänner Rallye in Austria? It used to be part of ERC for few years. Everytime there was snow some local guys with historic Evo III or similar cars were winning the first stages simply because they were starting an hour after the top guys. And you now what? It's normal there.
Found it, they're adjacent. https://www.wrc.com/c/calender/ANhw?...a-0bc750952fceQuote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
That could be a good battle.
What a first (proper) day of a rally! I know there are mixed views on just how much the conditions should play a role in a rally but you can’t say it’s not interesting or exciting. I probably would have prefered a Rovanpera v Tanak battle over the weekend but it certainly has opened the door to many other interesting possibilities
I don’t post here often so apologies for the incoming (very long) rant but I was buzzing watching the rally today but hadn’t much time for reading posts here or other coverage online. I’ve been reading and watching back some coverage of today and reading back over some stuff I missed here and I’m left somewhat flat to be honest.
It’s repeatedly said that the WRC needs more excitement, more interesting “stories” to tell and more variety to help attract more viewers and new fans. Well today alone we had:
• 2 World Champions crashing out on the same stage
• One driver in contention for his first ever win
• One driver in contention for his second ever win
• At least one driver in contention for his first ever podium
• Solberg, by far the most social media savy rally driver out there, currently on the podium, in his home rally, in a Rally 2 car – this alone is a “giant-killing” story worthy of attracting attention. (if you wanted to look at it that way)
• Linnamae, a relatively unknown driver to your average WRC fan (not to those on here obviously) winning the Brattby stage in a Rally 2 car
• Neuville maybe playing dirty to try to gain an advantage
• “Proper snow” and winter conditions that many people have been criticising the lack of in recent years
• Korhonen 8th overall on what I think I read online was only his 3rd time competing in a Rally 2 car on a WRC event (open to correction on that)
• And probably a number of other stories worth telling too
Granted, today was an exceptionally different day, but I think it again shows the problem isn’t necassarily the lack of stories to tell, lack of excitement or lack of variety but far more the failure of the promoter and the sport’s media to properly showcase and tell these stories. Also in spite of all this some people seem almost determined to focus almost solely on the negatives.
Rovanpera comfortably leading, Tanak in 2nd a Lappi 3rd would have been a far more predictable and “normal” rally but with regards promoting the sport “The Solberg Story” – can he hold on, can he fight off the Rally 1s, how high can he finish, etc. is a story that would attract lots of attention in my opinion. I understand not all serious WRC fans would appreciate the story but this is the sort of media spin and push that draws attention and would help more to draw new viewers than the more predictable rally that some others would have hoped to see.
Conditions yes, but without rally1 cars, who would really care or know about the difference if all of them were in Rally2 cars…
People have been complaining that modern rallying is boring. But when finally something exciting and unexpected is going on, they... still complain! Can one explain it?
I agree with Mirek and Corcaíoch. Thank you for your posts, guys.
...or Hermann Gassner sen. won a 30km stage at Monte 2001 in a Group N Proton ahead of the WRC. It was a crazy stage. And as you said, it's sometimes normal and logical in rallying...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
No point in doing rally then, because no matter what you do, you will never have equal conditions, and there will be advantages/disadvantages based on road position.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Or rather, no point in watching I guess ;)
Though. I do hope there will be challenges tomorrow as well, not as much, but still some. So we might keep Solberg in top 5, and other rally2 cars well in the points as well. So the split Saturday and Sunday points get to have a proper impact on the championship, but not the way that was intended.
The camera position in Ott's car should be the standard one for all cars, it's really great
Good morning guys, seems like better conditions then yesterday.
Is Tanak doing proper speed?
Seems so, faster as KalleQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
The irony: Kalle was exited to have better road position for not driving in Monte, and now 2nd car on the road..
Is Kalle doing proper speed? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wwbroe
Who knows:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
they are battling for not being first on the road tomorrow
Seems both did...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Exactly. The gap is just 5 now between themQuote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
Although I’m not sure if Kalle really wants any points if he doesn’t win
But Toyota wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I realy want Taka to win.
This is a great time from Tänak from first on the road
Seems like today the road condition becomes worse for the later runners
Fingers crossed about Ott,we saw what hapened yesterday.
Rally 2 cars loosing much more time now, looking at the splits
Great battle between Taka and EP, difference only 0,9 now
Very good live coverage! Don't even show wrc2 top3 guys.