De Villers video
watch at 3,35 same pass from fabia,c3,i20
wish we had more footage such this from wrc cars too.
https://youtu.be/yumirQ1-6Pc
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De Villers video
watch at 3,35 same pass from fabia,c3,i20
wish we had more footage such this from wrc cars too.
https://youtu.be/yumirQ1-6Pc
Seen a report that Police are dealing with themQuote:
Originally Posted by macebig
back from Croatia, dry roads, people everywhere and incredible pilots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRWOdFVrPT0
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Anyone with another link? WRC Promoter claimed/erased it...
Overall I think that All Live was good this weekend. I really enjoyed seeing a lot of WRC2 cars, even the gentleman driver's!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kras
But what Kras referred to is something that irritates me immensely. I'm not saying that Taka is a worthless driver or that he shouldn't be driving, but the All Live crew is not objective. I mean, according to them, everyone is good and fast and reliable and sometimes the car breaks down but not too often.
But that's BS and I'm sure they know it too. Let's take Taka as an example: yes, he has two podiums that came with smart drives. But he is not fast. On rallies that should feel like home to him (Finland, Sweden and Estonia) he hasn't been able to challenge for the podium. So I'm sorry, but in terms of Rally1 cars he is not fast, he is bang on average.
And I understand why the All Live crew says those safe things. I think that rallying does not need hot takes from the NBA, where clowns say X, Y and Z, because the rally fans do not need this, we have Luke Barry for that. But rallying does need to be objective and I don't find there's any harm in admitting the truth. It's not like NOT (the user here, to be exact) will be on air and say that Taka should build regular Toyota's in a factory rather than killing his enjoyment of watching a WRC event. There's nothing wrong in saying that Taka is consistent both in terms of pace and positions. But the word "impress" is too strong for him overall, I think.
I think Taka impressed by being a consistent finisher and being third in the points after Portugal. He finished in top 8 in all rallies of 2022 except NZ where he went off (also went off in Monte but lost only so little time that finished 8th).
Also remember that these people are working for WRC Promoter and teams are paying a big money to be a part of the series. They cannot say much negative things. Finally it's a part of British politeness.
This is a problem that isn't specific to WRC. It is similar in other small communities. Skateboarding, for example, suffers from the same toxic positivity. Everything is great, pros are all gnarly, innovative, awesome, can do no wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
I think it's due to a combination of 2 factors:
1. everyone knows eachother and is too close to make and objective judgement. Either out of courtesy or out of fear of conflict
2. Competitors and teams hold too much power and getting in a conflict with them would make future coverage har or impossible.
It seems to be that there is such a power disbalance in WRC that FIA and the promoter have to tiptoe around teams out of fear of losing them.
If you ever seen British football coverage, you'd see how unpolite they can be :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
It's, like you said, because in WRC teams have the journalists by the balls
In general I like the positive tone instead of ranting, teasing, offending etc, but it should stay realistic.
And in practice, if they could start offending someone, they have the risk that they will not have any (normal) interview with those persons anymore. There is team-feeling and it's even stronger there for a while now due the Breen incident.
Theres a simple solution to make the coverage more objective and professional. Go back to selling broadcasts to tv networks who can cover it without bias, as their careers dont depend on not offending the Toyota CEOQuote:
Originally Posted by meh
But in how many of those rallies did we have more than 8 wrc cars without superrally at the finish?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
He is not terrible, but we all know that he wouldn't be in a wrc car if he wasn't japanese.
Seems, that for me it's not that big problem if they try to be "too nice".
I say, that this time in general I don't have too much to complain - technically it worked, no (stream or web environment) interruptions, Rally2 got nice coverage.
And actually I like that instead of "how disappointed are you?" (Molly's default question previously) they (Molly, Seb) now serve the positive outcomes for drivers. I would say good job!
here (in this forum) we need to clarify: this is my opinion, not the ultimate truth. If you are different opinion, I'm ok that you can keep yours and I don't try to convince anyone here.
It is a very interesting discussion. Indeed the problem of fake positivity and totally uncritical feel good "journalism" is a function of everyone being in it together. The All Live people are working for the promoter so everything must be fine and dandy and stuff like Dirtfish ( not an established print media) is also heavily dependent on making it all look picture perfect.
Mind you this problem isn't unique to the WRC, since Ecclestone is gone and the circus muppets of Liberty took over its the same there. The journalists work for FOM so every driver is super talented and super nice, every team is doing a great job and for sure every race was a cracker. F1 related online media can be similar to Dirtfish but thanks to a bigger audience they can go bit further with their journalism but when you compare them to long standing print like Motorsport Magazine it's night and day. They are not dependant and can and will through shit at the promoter when it's deserved. In short we need something like Motorsport Magazine to put everyone in the current promoter bubble back in check.
Yes, I agree. Sports series that have their own coverage are all the same; they're never objective or critical. You can be critical whilst remaining polite and reasonable.....but they won't do this; understandably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kras
But can you can an example as well? What this all-live could say instead of what they said (to satisfy your understanding of being objective)?
I don't think it is about the commentators slamming Taka when he is 15 seconds of on a stage but rather being a bit more honest about drivers like him or Greensmith. Greensmith was no muppet at the wheel of a Rally1 but when no journalist is willing to acknowledge that he is a well heeled and quick gentleman driver it rubs people the wrong way and you get the Greensmith crash jokes or that Taka shouldn't be in a Rally1.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
But we must also understand that the talent depth in rallying is so small that there are very few drivers out there who would be as quick as Taka in a Rally1, even if he is sometimes miles of.
Finally they started to do a proper development. But still lot of work in front of them, especially around engine. But count with times on Sunday (and especially on powerstage) is not so significant - lot of fights were finished so competitors were only trying to reach the finish, there were different conditions for the drivers (for example Greensmith was starting almost one hour later than Fourmaux, with more dirty road after previous cars), also tyre choice was important...Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Good tyre choice was the most important for his winning the powerstage.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I’m not sure what people want asked at stage ends, but when Seb or Molly says “You dropped 20 seconds in there, what was the reason?” I think that’s about as much as they can say, they aren’t going to hit them with “Wow, 20 seconds in 10km! You’re in the wrong job mate, stealing a living”.
In rally, part of the problem is they all get asked the same thing 18-20 times over a weekend.
In terms of the talent pool in WRC, it is shallow, but when we have at best only 9 Rally 1 cars, it is disappointing when 2 of them are not filled with the best candidates. (Loubet/Taka).
and going slow saving the tyres during the morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
As I understand, as their place is "sponsored", they don't take away anyone's elses place away. From this point of view, I prefer to have them compared to not have those extra cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
This is the problem with the Rally1 cars... unless another manufacturer or two join the WRC (v.unlikely), there will only be a few seats available due to the crazy costs for a privateer.
Whilst it's been good seeing these amazing machines and the previous-gen WRC1 cars, but it's not been healthy for the sport overall.
The WRC has made its bed and now has to lie in it.
Remember those guys that were fighting on stage, just a seconds before Ogier came in?
Well today they were arrested and the judge gave them a sentence of 760 € + 20 € of administration costs to each one of three of them.
https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrva...kzueu7fAMnVd_E
A new video from different angle of croatian fist fight and reason why it happened.
https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/...oc1kUVhqo2aGVs
They got away pretty lightly,imo. It was an incredibly stupid situation and the punishment should have been harsher. Send them to jail for some time (not something enormous - maybe a week or so-) plus some social service.
You cant make up the sentence according to how you feel. Theres no such sentence prescribed for this kind of effenceQuote:
Originally Posted by macebig
nice hairpin near the castle https://youtu.be/nxRz3lMvges
I don't agree with that. I think that both Nil Solans and Huttunen for example have shown in the last couple of years that rookies can be decent behind the wheel of a top class car even in their first start. So to me it's quite obvious that the top WRC2 guys would be better.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
So it's not about the lack of depth of drivers. Unfortunately there are few teams/cars and it's way too expensive for talents to give it a go on their own. You need a big sponsor or support from the federation and those things are hard to come by.
Do you have any explanation of what are these yellow things hanging in the air? It´s on every onboard from SS13 at this place.
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They look like out-of-focus points of light, aka "specular highlights". Those are common photographic phenomenon. Given their position in the frame, I suspect they're reflections rather than the actual point of light.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReRe
They could be specs of water on glass in front of the camera, but they'd have to be quite some distance from the lens or they'd be more blurred. Not sure how that would happen.
Yeah but as I wrote, they are on every onboard from different cars and different cameras (on POV camera and also FX camera)Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
On a side note, i've just noticed that the two videos on youtube regarding the fighting at the stage have now been removed due to a copyright claim by WRC Promoter GmbH........
Thankfully they haven't noticed all the other action videos yet........
Deleting the inconvenient truth is not a good step, dear Promoter.
copyright claim by WRC Promoter GmbH... what the hell? Did WRC promoter make those videos?
It's a bit more complicated than just who films a clip.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
Only the promoter has rights to publish video clips of a moving rally car on stage. In this case, they are using it just to remove bad publicity. It's obvious they don't go around deleting all rally videos on youtube, although they could.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
thanks god WRC Promoter GmbH doesn't do as Dakar rally promoters Amaury Sport Organisation (ASO)- ASO is very strict on this...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL