Mark James-era of WRC coverage and Steve Rider-era coverage of the BRC were always a good watch too. It’s very hard to pinpoint exactly what is was they did so well though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
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Mark James-era of WRC coverage and Steve Rider-era coverage of the BRC were always a good watch too. It’s very hard to pinpoint exactly what is was they did so well though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
Of course the way it was done in the old days always seems better, but that's because it was !Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
But seriously, going back to just watching end of day summaries when you know everything is reported/shown live, takes some real determination nowadays.
And remember when they showed a live tv stage from the RAC Rally how amazing it was...
A high quality highlights show is a must; and while I'm in a minority in 2023 you do need some live coverage, providing it's done well.
Sad thing is that the BRC isn't doing either. But that's mainly due to the product, which now has no real excitement or story of a rally or Championship battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
The slickest BRC coverage in recent years was 2016, hidden on Elfyn Evans' own You Tube channel, voiced (and produced?) by Mark James... If only they were longer with more onboards and covered everyone else. https://www.youtube.com/@elfynevans2124/videosQuote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
I recall BBC Wales doing their own highlights coverage of RallyGB for a few years around 2009-10; it was far better than the official WRC product.Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Problem is whoever is behind the media/social media side of things for the BRC at present doesnt appear to think there is any need for such things. Basically unless its sound bites referring to "whips" and the like then its hard to see what their strategy is, maybe with so few registered competitors then there is no money for "proper" coverage? Looking at the Trackrod provisional entry the BRC field currently comprises of 9 confirmed entries and one reserve. Fourmaux isnt amongst those entries at present..
Only 5 starting this weekend..but hey it will be a new name on the winners list joining the greats of the past ..so all will be positive...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sal yet again
Shame to read that Paul Bird BSB boss and former top national rally driver has passed away. Controversial character at times but a quick man none the less.
I was just reading that story on motorsport.com. Mad how many BSB titles have won, I knew he ran one of the top teams, didn’t realise they were that good.
He was one of the last guys still driving a Focus WRC in this country IIRC
This month’s Seacon Rally Show has an unexpected bonus - full Ulster report with both BRC and ITRC fields covered.
https://youtu.be/8W0p_29eoME?si=cQtvhPHL1FIwMNcP
M.Evans poor on day one losing 50s to Pryce. Surprising as he been the more active on tarmac this year.
Most of that was on Stage 2 with a puncture....Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Osian Pryce looked markedly faster out on stage today I have to say. Stumbled upon the point where Paul Woodford, Hugh Hunter and the Special Stage team were set up on SS3 and went to the fan zone on SS5. I was still surprised to hear the times coming in from the SS5 stage side commentator for SS6 though
Not sure this 'donuts barrel' has really worked; too many having to use the handbrake to get around it.
One has to say, watching the coverage, this event looks fabulous. Whether its in the ERC or not next year, I'll be booking a campsite and going to watch.....
Shame. Robbed us of a real battle for the win so early on.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
We went to three places over the weekend. Great action and introduced a friend to the brilliance of watching a rally!
Day 1 we went to Cwm Ystwyth viewing a high speed section from near the junction with the Elan Valley road. Then up to Cwmerfyn at the fan zone for the second loop. Today we went to the double hairpins for the afternoon run through Clywedog.
It was absolutely fantastic, especially today. This was also my first tarmac rally and the noise and spectacle was much more than I was expecting! Looking forward to next year with hopefully more Rally2s
The BRC is a bit of a farce now with this one sort of thing....
🏆#BRC Rali Ceredigion Winners 🏆
Congratulations to James Williams Rallying and Dai Roberts on their first victory in the British Rally Championship!
The first BRC victory for the Hyundai Motorsport i20 Rally2.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Looking forward to the onboards from Cwm Ystwyth, driven that road many a time over the years, used to walk over to Myherin from there on Rally GB...
Just Clywedog for me, surprisingly there was a green arrowed spectator route into there (which I was heading towards anyway) which wasn't advertised online. There was limited parking there, but it's good that the organisers accommodated people rather than making things awkward.
Well, technically they did win the BRC event......Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
However, it's rather farcical when two other drivers finished ahead of him. If you enter a BRC event, you're eligible for points.....End this 'registered' nonsense....what value is it adding? 5-6 registered BRC crews - really???
Its not like there is anyone responding from the media team anyway! Asked a couple of questions over the weekend via the usual channels and was ignored.
That aside the scenery looked stunning in the late summer sunshine and the roads appeared a proper challenge. Nice to see Matt Wilson hooning the Puma around the town stage as well.
I really don't understand having BRC stage end updates on Facebook only; most successful series are on YouTube......
Almost forgot it was a round of TER, I think Osian Pryce had to be reminded at the end too
https://youtu.be/CyGkrUpfpm8?si=5O1CMWlHdaX_NvCO
I don't know how much it costs to be part of the TER, but you do get a nice little video out of them, at least!Quote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
It costs nothing or barely something, the organization has to pay a fee I think..
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The Ulster is a classic event and Rali Ceredigion is certainly shaping up to be a classic.
Here’s the thing, these rallies had really good entries but the @BRCrally component has numbered 6 & 7 entries respectively !
Something is going very wrong here and needs urgent attention.
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Forgive my ignorance but why were R5+ cars with bigger restrictors created at all ? Maybe just to be faster for slower drivers to enjoy ?
Good question. How many other countries have them - or are we on our own, yet again. Far too much self interest in UK rallying, and too many drivers wanting to win on favourable terms beating more talented drivers in lower powered, less expensive cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
UK national events run to UK rules and these allow the bigger restrictors that WRC cars have, so there's nothing to stop you from putting the bigger restrictor on a Rally2 or R5 car. When R5 cars were first introduced nobody in the UK ran them as old WRC cars were cheaper and quicker. Those who wanted to run the newer R5 cars, when they became available second hand, needed to fit the bigger restrictors to be competitive. If you were to restrict entries on UK events to cars complying with their FIA homologation you'd decimate the entries because very few cars in the UK run to their homologated specification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Allowing bigger restrictors to R5 cars was one of the biggest fails. Everywhere...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
“to restrict entries on UK events to cars complying with their FIA homologation” and ‘to ban the use of larger turbo restrictors on R5/Rally2 cars’ are two ends of the spectrum thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
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Originally Posted by PLuto
UK Rallying in a nutshell........We just don't help ourselves at all.....
Just think back to when R5 cars were introduced. It took years before anybody in the UK ran one - even though they were encouraged by the BRC organisers. What else would you as a governing body have done to encourage them?
There were huge outcries when cars like Andy Burton's and Kim Mather's were outlawed. As a governing body, how would you write the regulations to stop the use of oversized restrictors on R5/Rally2 cars without banning lots of other "home brewed" cars?
You might not like it as spectators but the sport is about what the competitors want and if they want to run Mk2 Escorts with Millington engines or R5 cars with WRC sized restrictors then why should they be stopped?
And because everybody has same thoughts like you, UK rallysport is where it is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
I didn't say that was my opinion. I just asked the questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
UK Rallysport is where it is because that's what the competitors want. They're the ones who are paying for it so they make the decision.
I think this is the crux of the matter........Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
The ones with the money and cars, don't want to do the BRC.......
I understand this 10 years ago when R5's first came out. But what about now when the majority are using them ? Surely the power of a homologated R5/ Rally2 car should be the standard for UK events and other older cars have their power restricted instead?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
Telling people with perfectly good cars that they enjoy driving that they have to spend a load of money to make them slower sounds like a good way of pushing people out of rallying to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
To make the cars slower doesnt cost load of money. It is exactly opposite - as these cars were build for current R5 rules, any other change (like bigger restrictor) makes them more powerful, but also less reliable as parts were designed for exact power. So with bigger restrictor you are paying more money to keep the car running on the equal quality...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd