You can call me sadistic, but I think Valtra should take the opportunity and become a WRC series sponsor. They'd sponsor all the chicanes and no one would ever want to touch the chicanes.
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You can call me sadistic, but I think Valtra should take the opportunity and become a WRC series sponsor. They'd sponsor all the chicanes and no one would ever want to touch the chicanes.
And no-one would ever want to buy a Valtra tractor again. That might slightly conflict with their marketing strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
If you don't want anyone touching the chicanes, you have to make them so that no one would want to touch them. Everyone knows the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
And marketing strategies change.
Honestly, the virtual chicane is the most absurd idea anyone could thought for rally, even worse than car park SSS’s. People in the FIA are probably looking for ways to turn the other motorsport series as ridiculous as their beloved FE. It doesn’t even deserve to be tested; just bin it!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
But if they do, then in addition to a really expensive car there`s also a pretty expensive piece of "chicane" broken. Quite a costly suggestion.:D
What's absurd with a car braking in a straight line to a certain speed and accelerating again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Here it done on a long straight for safety before a tricky braking into a right hander with some trees on the edge of the road i could see someone having had a nasty crash before.
https://youtu.be/eXXV10bJcRQ?t=132
"What's absurd with a car braking in a straight line to a certain speed and accelerating again?"
This is absurd, like watering plants when it`s pouring rain. It is a rally special stage, ment to be driven as fast as possible and without a physical reason braking and accelerating is bad, it doesn`t make anything safer or more interesting, just sillier.
And also in the very tricky section they should add virtual speedtrap and you can only accelerate on the straights. Would be fun and "safe".
So if you have a icy corner in MC where you would normally arrive at 190kph with no space for a chicane before it with a 100m drop, would it not be safer to arrive at 100kph...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Maybe some stages that normally wouldn't be used due to safety could be used for a small sacrifice on a part of a stage, safety and nature of the stage is what the FIA said they would consider more now than just average speed.
EMP to shut down all electronics.
Simply because it’s against Rally most basic principal: driving fast on a road stage. People can understand the use of chicanes and some (very few) actually are challenging driving spots, but there’s nothing challenging on a brake test in a middle of a straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Rally is living a fantastic era; let’s not ruin it!
That example video, with the stop and go and dangerous corner...car starts accelerating ~2.39 and gets to the corner in 2.49-2.50. Now a with the acceleration of a rally car, well demonstrated in this video, a speed of 160-170 km/h is achieved. Can`t say that it makes any difference, maybe even more dangerous, because you have to make up what you loose in your reaction/ not going through the "chicane" perfectly. Putting a haybale in front, lets say 50 m., that would make it safer...maybe. Same with the Monte example.
Arrive at 190 or 100 if its an icy corner ur still gonna have the same problem ur braking points just gonna be in a different place with the accelleration of these new wrc cars it would need to be 100yards or less before the corner posing a new problem a hard accellerating car trying to brake upQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Yes! WSDC - world safe driving championship. Nobody would watch it but it would be safe!Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Jesus Christ SN. You are a very experienced guy what comes to rallying so this is shocking that this absurdity is coming from you. Just so against everything what rallying is all about.
Lets say 50kph then just so you get my point, a guard rail for example can usually can take a bit, look at Lappi's crash in Spain 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
Relax, with 350km there will still be plenty of corners they can hurt themselves, I'm just talking about the really nasty places maybe once or twice during a whole event.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
The whole Monte and Australia were full of nasty places. Ultimate test of man and machine for the world's finest. This isn't some sissy competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Yes i see your point but lets say for example the road is icy and start braking but slide through the virtual chicane at high speed faster than the allocated speed for it. But manage to recover control and get around the corner successfully. Will the driver be penalised for going too fast through the virtual chicane?
Don’t fool yourself; if virtual chicane BS become available, organizers would immediately try to replace current chicanes for it and even tend to use it in more ‘dangerous’ spots, as it’d be a much easier system to implement. Most likely we would end having several per stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
PS: thanks for the typo tip.
Yes. They should brake earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by wia5958
Fool*Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Which aren't that many anyway.
I just think it's a more fair option than having one car crash through it and then a car sitting at the start line knowing It's not there anymore which can keep almost flat through it like we saw in Australia.
Would be pretty silly if we had the best season for ages and then it being decided on the last round because of a chicane right?
That is actually a downside of the WRC+ live coverage, drivers waiting for the stage can get advance warning of tricky conditions or others going off so they don't need to push etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Not sure what the answer is though, you could have regroups with no communication allowed between regroup and stage? But hard to enforce and could add delays to the rally schedule.
Corsica is also full of huge drops, Finland is full of very high speed sections with dangerous trees right next them, if someone goes off at the great Orme stage in wales we certainly have 2 dead people, ...Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Rally is not safe and can never be made safe to the same extend as circuit racing.
Chicanes are only usefull to prevent crazy drivers in the back from hurting themself, like when they are put before dangerous situations like jumps that can't be taken flat out without crashing.
Not that important, but Serderidis announced Australia was his last rally.
Great to finish his career with Lara in the top ten! Hopefully Jourdan will support Bergkvist and some other drivers...Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Any particular reason said why Serderidis quits? Generally both WRC and WRC2 needs a lot of private drivers like back in the days, e.g. 10 per rally to WRC and 25 per rally to WRC2 should be FIA / WRC promoter set target.
Besides rallying himself, Serderidis is nro 1 rally fan and nice person for rally media, we would need more people like him. And especially more rally crew members like Lara!
"Personal Reasons"Quote:
Originally Posted by Japé
finally some good news... he was nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Its the wrc, the level of drivers must be at some standard.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...ates-wrc-teams
Drop this round already.
You said that about Neuville too, and whole Toyota team. And BritsQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Virtual chicane discussion on twitter https://twitter.com/skunnercampbell/...85691422162944 At least Rich Millener from M-Sport and Iain Campbell of Wales Rally GB are defending them.
Suninen:
Some changes will happen concerning the WRC season 2019. We ended our co-operation with Mikko and the new man will step in. From now on I will compete with Marko Salminen. Big thanks to Mikko for taking me to this level where I am today. https://t.co/VrEv4mzMCe
Marko Salminen has spent past seasons with Katsuta. Quite interesting change. Will Katsuta now continue with the Japanese co-driver?
I guess Lehtinen. Arai out of Toyota program now.
Great choice. Salminen is a great guy and great codriver.
But Colin Clark needs his service park hospitalityQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
What if someone does not break to that virtual chicane? (I don´t mean penalty way)
There could be nasty accidents coming if there is huge drop or nasty corner after that.
That way real chicanes are better.
There is high possibility that some driver could miss that virtual one.
+1, especially for drivers who are amateurs to WRC events it could be dangerous.
Thats my point exactly. Without the chicane they would be braking earlier not accellerating out of a virtual chicane. But dont matter what we say on here or think. Its the idiots in fhe power above will do as they please regardless of driver or fan opinionsQuote:
Originally Posted by T16
@TeemuSuninenRac
Some changes will happen concerning the WRC season 2019. We ended our co-operation with Mikko and the new man will step in. From now on I will compete with Marko Salminen. Big thanks to Mikko for taking me to this level where I am today.
I doubt a real dangerous place wouldn't be taken away with real chicane. Use of virtual chicanes doesn't exclude the use of physica chicanes. Virtual chicane is perfect for fast sections used for connecting roads/sections. The most importantly it saves resources from the organizers and - as being virtual - is more safe than a physical chicane. There must be something wrong in my mind because I see no harm in introducing virtual chicanes more into rallying. For sure I know how to stay far away from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B