what a mess, i hope that they dont have it with the stage times the next days.
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what a mess, i hope that they dont have it with the stage times the next days.
P1 and P2 crews must make a minimum of 3 passes. Anybody else can choose to run if they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by gorganl2000
thanks bossQuote:
Originally Posted by noel157
was wondering as i saw some doing 4-5 and others doing 1-2....guess they will make up the rest soon
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Big crowd outside of @CitroenRacing, they are waiting to catch a glimpse of this man.......... @SebastienLoeb #WRC.
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@dimviii: Steilto ston loris! :D
to exw steilei idi lolQuote:
Originally Posted by tolis
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Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Very good filming Tommeke_B!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Here You clearly can see the difference in driving technique/approach between Kubica and Ogier, or between the regular Minimum Lowest Speed, and Nose End First.
Ogier:
Ogier is much slower in, and has exactly the momentum to turn the car enough to get it to point in the right direction (Nose End First).
He actually under-rotates a little bit, forcing him to drive a little understeered out of the corner, wich again leads to a small counter reaction - hampering his acceleration a little bit. But still: Fast AND safe!
Kubica:
Higher entry speed. Trows the car around with a lot of force acting upon it. Sideways forces still present when he starts to accelerate, wich pushes the car outwards, (towards the camera), instead of forwards.
This is a lot more risk, and a lot more tire wear.
Thanks for the films!
Lights on now for next SD run... still using the traditional ones... :)
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very right mate.Happy to see that there are people that understant what they seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
because of the above this pass wasn t fast neither safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Shakedown - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4unAgRB5sYc
http://www.ewrc-results.com/shake.ph...nte-Carlo-2015
Tanak's time has been canceled?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2it8wNJVSYU Kubica2Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
This one was perfect.
Tanak"s time was wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Shaitan
Well, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
You must take in consideration what forces that acts upon the car, what speed the car travels, and what part of the turn it happens.
A small understeer out of a hairpin is not unsafe, because You are so slow that You could easily brake to a dead stop if required.
It will be very difficult to go off in this position, because You control the forces (or acceleration) with the throttle.
If Ogier felt he had to correct it, he could just go of the throttle a little bit, or he could have a small input on the brakes, but it was no problem so he just drove it out on understeer.
What Kubica does is much more dangerous. He doesnt brake enough before the corner, and the forces wanting the car to contionue straight on are massive. This is what results in the abrupt oversteer/rotation, and the sideways movement when he accelerates.
I have just seen another video from the same hairpin of Kubica where he actually move not only sideways, but backwards, all four wheels spinning. Not safe, not fast, and very high tire wear.
Loeb - 2:21.0 / 2:23.6 / 2:23.9 / 2:23.0 / 2:30.6
Meeke - 2:21.4 / 2:22.4 / 2:25.0 / 2:23.6 / 2:30.1
Ogier - 2:22.1 / 2:22.9 / 2:28.6
Mikkelsen - 2:23.8 / 2:22.2 / 2:29.9
Kubica - 2:23.9 / 2:22.3 / 2:24.2 / 2:25.9 / 2:28.6
Evans - 2:22.4 / 2:23.7 / 2:28.1 / 2:29.2
Ostberg - 2:22.8 / 2:24.6 / 2:24.5 / 2:29.4 / 2:34.9
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9 / 2:29.2
Neuville - 2:31.4 / 2:30.4 / 2:26.4 / 2:24.9 / 2:31.7 / 2:30.8
Tänak - 2:29.3 / 2:28.2 / 2:26.2 / 2:31.8 / 2:31.0
Chardonnet - 2:26.5 / 2:24.7 / 2:26.9 / 2:27.1
Latvala - 2:26.5 / 2:25.2 / 2:28.0 / 2:27.3 / 2:27.2
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9 / 2:29.2
Protasov - 2:30.6 / 2:29.1 / 2:30.4 / 2:28.1 / 2:33.8
Solberg - 2:34.4 / 2:32.7 / 2:29.2 / 2:29.5 / 2:29.3 / 2:29.4
Bouffier - 2:43.0 / 2:33.1 / 2:33.3 / 2:30.7 / 2:30.1
Bertelli - 2:42.6 / 2:36.8 / 2:36.0
Prokop - 2:38.1
Not my filming... Thank the internet :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Kubica said that Pirelli don't have enough cuts for this conditions, so not bad time at all if tires are not great
Aren't Hyundai pods bit too much? 8 on the car, 6 allowed?
I suppose Bouffier´s car not working perfect, he´s much too slow, even for his speed.
In these dirty and slippy hairpins, big slides are totally useless. The fast way is go in a bit easy and clean out.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
But I did BIG slides anyway for the spectators
Sébastien Loeb_WRC @Loeb_Seb1 3 λεπτάΠριν από 3 λεπτά
Night pods for final runs of shakedown, awaiting official times. #wrc #MC2015
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So You're right. It is only shakedown anyway, and some drivers are there purely for the fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antony Warmbold
Times sorted now:
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where do you get times?Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Very good example of different driving approaches:Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
1) Kubica
High entry speed. Prolonged rotation of the car (change of direction happens over a long distance), and too early on the acceleration on the exit.
This leads to a very wide turn, and very low grip on the exit because he newer gets the car to squat.
He also drives a longer line than neccesary (covers more metres then he have to).
A big tell tale in this sequense is how much of a turn the next flat left is. Kubica enters this on the inside (left side), så he has to make a real change of direction.
2) Mikkelsen
This is close to perfect!
He goes straight in to the corner, and is much more consise on the rotation, flipping the car around to the attack angle he wants out of the corner. Because of his speed and line his exit is now on the inside of the exit, meaning he is pointed directly where he wants to travel, seen clearly in the next left.
He is quite deep in the corner when he aplies the throttle (he waits to the correct time), and when he accelerates the car travels almost in a completly straight line. This means that the only forces now acting on the car will be the forces he aplies trough the throttle. This way its much easier to find grip, and the car responds by squatting in the rear, a clear sign of high grip.
It could have been a little bit smoother stil on the exit, but this was VERY, VERY good!
3) Bouffier
Has the right angle in to the corner, but understeers under braking. Drives trough the corner on the front wheels when he finds grip. On the exit he has a very good line, and can apply much throttle without wheels spin.
This is really a cock up, but because of the line he travels, his acceleration is still very good.
4) Evans
Drives tha car on understeer, and is not able to get the car to point in the direction he should, so the moment of understeer lasts too long. Acceleration is hampered, and the next left also becomes a small corner.
But still a better tactic than Kubica.
5) Østberg
Is a little bit too deep in the corner when he rotates, and travels a little too far in the slowest part of the corner. His acceleration is hampered by his late/deep rotation, but still ok.
6) Neuville
Not good. What we want here is acceleration in a straightest possible line. Neuville is under rotating a little bit, and is also to early on the throttle. This pushes the car wide on the exit, and his acceleration is performed in an arc, with sideways forces acting upon the car. The next left is now a real corner. Not good.
7) Solberg
Too fast on the entry, massive understeer and overshoot, but gets a good straight line in the acceleration. He would be surprised of how much time the straight line acceleration "saved" him. But still, a cock up ;)
8) Sordo
His rotation is prolonged, and his entry somewhat wide, but he gets the car pointed straight, and his acceleration is WAY better than Neuvilles.
9) Latvala
A cross between Sordo and Mikkelsen. Not quite slow enough on the entry in the turning point, but gets the car pointed and accelerates.
10) Protasov
Surprisingly good, but to early throttle combined with a little understeer leads to exit oversteer.
11) Cherepin
Way to early on the throttle, leading him to drift wide on the exit. Feels fast inside the car, is not fast against the stop watch...
12) Bertelli
Not good.
And Ogier is going in his own way:D - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnXgR-7wSIg
makinen_fan can you give link to sdtimes`?
same turn Loeb, 1st passageQuote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D9hRqSuZdk
its from twitter, VW publihsed it I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by satukata
and the best way
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edit John was faster.
Loeb - 2:21.0 / 2:23.6 / 2:23.9 / 2:23.0 / 2:30.6
Meeke - 2:21.4 / 2:22.4 / 2:25.0 / 2:23.6 / 2:30.1
Ogier - 2:22.1 / 2:22.9 / 2:28.6
Mikkelsen - 2:23.8 / 2:22.2 / 2:29.1 / 2:33.8
Kubica - 2:23.9 / 2:22.3 / 2:24.2 / 2:25.9 / 2:28.6
Evans - 2:22.4 / 2:23.7 / 2:28.1 / 2:29.2
Ostberg - 2:22.8 / 2:24.6 / 2:24.5 / 2:29.4 / 2:34.9
Chardonnet - 2:26.5 / 2:24.7 / 2:26.9 / 2:27.1
Sordo - 2:25.8 / 2:26.0 / 2:24.9 / 2:29.2
Neuville - 2:31.4 / 2:30.4 / 2:26.4 / 2:24.9 / 2:31.7 / 2:30.0
Latvala - 2:26.5 / 2:25.2 / 2:28.6 / 2:27.3 / 2:27.2
Tänak - 2:29.3 / 2:28.2 / 2:26.2 / 2:31.8 / 2:31.0
Protasov - 2:30.6 / 2:29.1 / 2:30.4 / 2:28.1 / 2:33.8
Solberg - 2:34.4 / 2:32.7 / 2:29.2 / 2:29.5 / 2:29.3 / 2:29.4 / 2:29.2
Bouffier - 2:43.1 / 2:33.1 / 2:33.3 / 2:30.7 / 2:30.1
Bertelli - 2:42.6 / 2:36.8 / 2:36.0
Prokop - 2:38.1 / 2:39.7 / 2:38.6 / 2:37.0
Breen - 2:44.1 / 2:39.7
Koči - 2:48.5 / 2:43.3
Lefebvre - 2:52.8 / 2:44.2
SÉBASTIEN LOEB RETURNED TO THE FIA WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE BEST POSSIBLE STYLE WHEN HE WAS FASTEST IN THIS EVENING’S SHAKEDOWN AT RALLYE MONTE-CARLO.
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Loeb is the ‘Monte master’ with seven wins to his name over the unpredictable Alpine roads. Despite almost 15 months away from the WRC, the 40-year-old Frenchman was quickly back in the groove through the 3.52km Chateauvieux stage.
His first of five runs through the twisty, hairpin-lined test in a Citroen DS 3 was 0.4sec faster than team-mate Kris Meeke, and 1.1sec quicker than arch-rival Sébastien Ogier.
“It’s not a bad way to come back to WRC!” he said. “I immediately felt comfortable in the car but this won’t be an easy rally. The weather forecast looks tricky and so my low position in the road order could be an advantage or a disadvantage,” said Loeb.
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it was just a shakedown and he was one of the first ones on the road and later it was worse. he himself admitted it. speaking about Loeb.
Not so good, less spectacular. less grip out of the corner, the next left is in danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan