Rally RACC España Catalunya

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Originally Posted by makinen_fan

Ogier really on it SS11. Really nice battle as it will unfold

Btw where is everyone, all still sleeping.

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Morning, everbody. Of course I was sleeping, only maniac obsessives get up that early on a Sunday morning ;)
Nice to see I was right that it didn't matter where JML was on the road for Sordo - he will never be a threat on gravel. So Seb to get another 15 seconds back on Terra Alta then maybe just the odd second here and there on the second runs. JML finally showing great maturity on this rally :D
As for Paddon he is definitely driving to orders. He will be doing his reputation no harm

I guess the other thing to be considered is that when someone gets what is basically a guest drive you (a) don't bin it and (b) don't head off a works car. You just go with the program and do as instructed.
If he had been expected to run for a result then I am sure Hayden would had had a totally different test program set for him. This event is a test for him in more ways than one.

SS12 is gravel & asphalt, does anyone know how much is gravel and how much asphalt? And how is it distributed through the stage?

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Originally Posted by txl

SS12 is gravel & asphalt, does anyone know how much is gravel and how much asphalt? And how is it distributed through the stage?

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Tarmac section is in the middle of the stage, I don't know exact length of it but I'd would say approx 1/7th of the stage ie some 5 kilometers or so.

Come on Dani!!!

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Originally Posted by txl

SS12 is gravel & asphalt, does anyone know how much is gravel and how much asphalt? And how is it distributed through the stage?

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7km asphalt starting from 16th km (WRR)

Thanks jonkka. More info from rally radio now - asphalt is 8km starting from the 17th km.

Carl, quit while you have some dignity. No, we don't know the brief. Nor do we know the quality of the car. But by any stretch of the imagination this is a disappointing result. mostly because most of us know that he is capable of competing. Paddon had nothing to win here but plenty to lose. Would you sign him to any kind of contract on this performance?

Dani's losing it. Ogi has already taken half of his deficit to JML.

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Originally Posted by jonkka

Dani's losing it. Ogi has already taken half of his deficit to JML.

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at the end of the stage seems that dust appears again.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

at the end of the stage seems that dust appears again.

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SS12] Dani Sordo (Citroen) 23:52.3 "After the tarmac there was lot dust in the corners. We were a lot of time out the line."

Inget so tired.... Dani needs to step up! He's doing soo good until the end of the stages were the dust is...

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Originally Posted by dimviii

at the end of the stage seems that dust appears again.

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Also, the last half of the stage is run towards generally eastern direction so rising sun may also add to dust's effect.

Neuville clearly not good enough for this. Hope he can still learn!

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Originally Posted by Carlo

Paddon has now driven two stages on gravel in a WRC car, he never had the opportunity to test on gravel. What do you expect of him in these circumstances, go maximum attack in dust with a car that is totally new to him and bin it?
Finally it is good to see someone with sufficient self discipline and knowledge to know when to go fast and when to be a little more prudent. His time will come.

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You know there are dozens of drivers who are able to reliably drive for 8-10th place. Unless You want to pay for Your driving You have to show more if You want to get to works team. The circumstances are sure bad and we could see that when Juho Hänninen in very similar situation had also problems to catch the speed without proper testing but still he was much faster (although with mistakes). I think that in these one offs nobody really care about reliability but about speed. It is off course different if there is some long-term program already set. Than it would make sense to catch experience step by step. But if it's just one drive than finishing 9th means less than few top 5 times without finish. It's just my opinion...

Neuville lost at the end 9,5 sec at about 6 km of stage.

Ogier now +2,9 from Sordo.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Neuville lost at the end 9,5 sec at about 6 km of stage.

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[SS12] Thierry Neuville (Ford) 24:03.8 "It was okay, but I think we broke the differential or something, we have wheel spin in 4th and 5th gear… Otherwise my driving was okay, but we have a lot to improve."

I wonder what percentage of the forum viewers right now are from NZ, from looking at who is watching right now, sure looks like a few of us!

Hopefully Paddon has a good chance to push this afternoon once he has had time to process and adjust things to suit him more, but hard thing to get into a car you have never driven on gravel and do well. Would really like to see a top 6 time for him though.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

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Originally Posted by Carlo

Paddon has now driven two stages on gravel in a WRC car, he never had the opportunity to test on gravel. What do you expect of him in these circumstances, go maximum attack in dust with a car that is totally new to him and bin it?
Finally it is good to see someone with sufficient self discipline and knowledge to know when to go fast and when to be a little more prudent. His time will come.

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You know there are dozens of drivers who are able to reliably drive for 8-10th place. Unless You want to pay for Your driving You have to show more if You want to get to works team. The circumstances are sure bad and we could see that when Juho Hänninen in very similar situation had also problems to catch the speed without proper testing but still he was much faster (although with mistakes). I think that in these one offs nobody really care about reliability but about speed. It is off course different if there is some long-term program already set. Than it would make sense to catch experience step by step. But if it's just one drive than finishing 9th means less than few top 5 times without finish. It's just my opinion...

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Agree with Mirek.


Ogier will win this if he dont lose it with a roll!

He and julien is like a fucking rocket!!!

It´s not fun anymore... :(

Is he a robot or what?

This time Mikkelsen might not make best time...

Ogier is the new Loeb... Boring when we all know who will win all events but the question is, Are Loeb and Ogier the problem or is it the other boys who needs to step up?! ;) :P

Ogier is not an alien, if he can drove fast in the dust, then the others like Sordo, needs to wake up!

Paddon?!

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

It´s not fun anymore... :(

Is he a robot or what?

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not a robot,just a better driver.

But I agree that it can be boring. For me the Loeb era was real boring! No fight at all and I really hope that Ogier not will be like Loeb ;)

0,5 to 0,8 secs/km ... sweeping can't excuse this. wrc is still a parody.

Mikkelsen lost 11,3 sec at 2 minutes!!

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Originally Posted by dimviii

Mikkelsen lost 11,3 sec at 2 minutes!!

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I think that the tarmac section is between splits 3 and 4.

ok first wrc rally for Paddon,but couldn t imagine that he will be so slow.
Another example that a very fast s2000 driver when jumps at a wrc find it very difficult.

Annoying to wait 4 minutes for the next car. Gravel rally sucks.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

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Originally Posted by Carlo

Paddon has now driven two stages on gravel in a WRC car, he never had the opportunity to test on gravel. What do you expect of him in these circumstances, go maximum attack in dust with a car that is totally new to him and bin it?
Finally it is good to see someone with sufficient self discipline and knowledge to know when to go fast and when to be a little more prudent. His time will come.

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You know there are dozens of drivers who are able to reliably drive for 8-10th place. Unless You want to pay for Your driving You have to show more if You want to get to works team. The circumstances are sure bad and we could see that when Juho Hänninen in very similar situation had also problems to catch the speed without proper testing but still he was much faster (although with mistakes). I think that in these one offs nobody really care about reliability but about speed. It is off course different if there is some long-term program already set. Than it would make sense to catch experience step by step. But if it's just one drive than finishing 9th means less than few top 5 times without finish. It's just my opinion...

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Agree 100%. Meeke was a good example of speed in one off drives in NORF and Australia and, as you mention, Hanninen too.

Also some predicted that a fast S2000 driver like Paddon would have no problem adapting to a WRC car. It's a different ball game in reality.

The nearest car to Paddon is 6 minutes away. Points for 9th might be more important than 10th, or getting a DNF for Malcom?

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Originally Posted by litifeta

The nearest car to Paddon is 6 minutes away. Points for 9th might be more important than 10th, or getting a DNF for Malcom?

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I appreciate you looking for positives but I think Paddon himself will be very unhappy with his results. Best stage time of 8th fastest not good. He's talented and perhaps with more testing/experience things may have been different.

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Originally Posted by noel157

Also some predicted that a fast S2000 driver like Padden would have no problem adapting to a WRC car. It's a different ball game in reality.

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That was me :) But it's a little misunderstanding. In my opinion driving DS3 RRC or WRC is no big difference, there is no reason for that (same for Fiesta RRC/WRC or Mini RRC/WRC). If there was a Fabia WRC made out of the S2000 I'm sure it would be much easier for Paddon (or Hänninen) as well but from what Juho said himself there is really big difference between Fabia and Fiesta. On the other hand Paddon drove Fiesta S2000 in some occasions so he might know how Fords are working. Anyway it's nice example of armchair discussion :)

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Originally Posted by SlowSon

0,5 to 0,8 secs/km ... sweeping can't excuse this. wrc is still a parody.

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JML will push during the 2nd run - hands up all those who thought he would have binned it already?

Yap and second run no cleaning effect. I hope the dust remains.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

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Originally Posted by noel157

Also some predicted that a fast S2000 driver like Padden would have no problem adapting to a WRC car. It's a different ball game in reality.

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That was me :) But it's a little misunderstanding. In my opinion driving DS3 RRC or WRC is no big difference, there is no reason for that (same for Fiesta RRC/WRC or Mini RRC/WRC). If there was a Fabia WRC made out of the S2000 I'm sure it would be much easier for Paddon (or Hänninen) as well but from what Juho said himself there is really big difference between Fabia and Fiesta. On the other hand Paddon drove Fiesta S2000 in some occasions so he might know how Fords are working. Anyway it's nice example of armchair discussion :)

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And the next armchair topic up for discussion will be Kubica on wet, frozen gravel in a WRC car .....:)

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Originally Posted by noel157

And the next armchair topic up for discussion will be Kubica on wet, frozen gravel in a WRC car .....:)

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Definitely :) Just came to my mind what Ogier did in his first ever WRC stage on the frozen mud of Wales...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syfOCx_eSrc