As was it in Germany... With Panzerplatte, Neuville would have been much further from Sordo going into the last 2 stages...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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As was it in Germany... With Panzerplatte, Neuville would have been much further from Sordo going into the last 2 stages...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
so let me get it right, the FIA are dropping Greece & New-Zealand, they should be ashamed of themselves...
If you listen to the podcast, FIA and new promotor are keen on this new rotation time period of three years and praised Rally NZ organizers!!!! Podcast/Interview on iRally app!!
Comparing those two rallies isn´t fair. OK, Panzerplatte was in an ongoing rally, while MC did cancel two last stages, even though Loeb had an 1:39 advantage the race could have ended in a different way during the circumstanses.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
Every year this thread appears and every year the same arguments are made. Everyone wants a round of the WRC in their own backyard. However, it is not possible to fit everyone into the calendar. To work into the future, the reality is that we can not be nostalgic. Even Rally Sweden is crying poor at the expense of hosting a round for 2014 onwards. Unless there is major corporate and/or governmental support, it is virtually impossible to host a WRC event in any country.
The WRC has to satisfy the needs of the established fans in the rally heartland of Europe, but at the same time, they should support new markets to ensure growth. Which will never happen if people selfishly limit the championship to being a glorified extended ERC. It is my opinion that there should be a round held in every FIA regional area, mandating an African round, a Middle Eastern round in addition to Europe, Asia Pacific and Americas. How can the sport grow if people are not able to travel to Europe. There should be a local regional event, so local competitors can compete, officials can gain greater experience and spectators can witness the best in the world.
Europe is economically depressed and the growth markets are all outside of there. So for manufacturers, there is little to be gained from rallying only mostly within Europe. Yes there should be a bottom line for what a season costs, but I believe that bottom line should include more non-European rounds.
so a prediction of next year's calendar would be:
Monte-Carlo
Sweden
Mexico
Portugal
Argentina
Italy
Poland
Finland
Germany
Australia
France
Spain
Wales GB
am I correct?
Just wait for them to publish the calendar
no try again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
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No, you're not right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
personally I don't want more tarmac rallies, there are more then enough tarmac rounds already.
IMO leave the tarmac to the circuit racing boys & girls. A proper rally is held on gravel roads or snow/ice roads.
Loosing an event like NZ is a loss to the calendar. FIA didn't drop us, we dropped ourselves in favour of trying to attract sponsors by trying to get a 3-year on, 3-year off deal with the FIA. I highly doubt that it will ever return now that we relinquished our spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
All the drivers have said for years how good the event is, how superb the conditions of the roads are, and how they all look forward to this round as much as Finland. Never heard anyone say that about most of the other rounds. We shall see. For Kiwi's we now need to get our a$$es over to Finland to see it live. :D
Well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
The sport started on Tarmac. If you want to find the best all round driver - then you must have an even split of surfaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
A certain Middle Eastern nation looks to be in the 2014 Calendar ;)
Had to be or there'd be a lot less cars in the WRC class!Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
My only beef is that the 3 late summer / autumn tarmac rallies aren't the best tarmac events. Oh for the Manx to be the UK's round!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Complete bull****. A tarmac rally can be at least as difficult and challenging as a gravel/snow event. Especially mentally it is much more demanding in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Are you rally driver or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
you do not have to be one to use common sense, and the way the sport is... a "rally driver" is equal to someone with money and a liking for rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
usually those who like gravel rallies to tarmac are either no good "hairpin" fans who like drifts and other funny stuff instead of rallying so they are better off to some drift competition...
No, but does that make my opinion invalid? I've visited a large number of events in my relatively short life, of which some WRC events (Finland, Sweden, Portugal, Sardinia, France and Germany). We drove many stages, in order to find nice places to spectate, and you must be blind to not see how the stage is, what's difficult about it etc. It's even not so difficult to predict places with a high crashing-chance, unless you are blind. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
let me guess- Jordan...Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
no... i think you are at an age where you should focus on absorbing information istead of making predictions and assumptions on calendars. drivers ects...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Or why not spread them out over the year - instead of late summer/autumn. There are some fantastic tarmac events not used - for various reasons; Manx, Ypres, and even, Mull...... imagine that as a WRC event......Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Bullsh!t? I'd say your comment is bullsh!t.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Opinions are opinions not fact, hence they cannot be wrong ríght.
You can fancy your tarmac as much as you like but my opinion still stands. Tarmac is for circuit racing, gravel is for rallying.
I never said anything about tarmac not being difficult or challenging. But Tarmac is not a proper rally surface.
Its too different from gravel and snow and imo tarmac have no place in rally.
Tarmac also usually means too much grip and then the next hundred of second there is no grip at all causing the car to go out of control.
I also would like to see sources that rally started on tarmac, perhaps for rally in southern Europe while Northern Europe more likely had
their rallies on gravel roads already in the beginning since there weren't much tarmac roads up here during those times.
Questionable. In reality it's just another event. By the end of this year it'll be just a fond memory like a pair of old slippers. In 3 years time no one will remember let alone care.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
This is the point I was making.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
This is emotive nonsense born from too much reading your own press.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
a nice article from a Greek site
WRC | WRC-
That's why it is as difficult as other surfaces. Asphalt driving in changing conditions require no less mastering of a Rally driver. You'll never see that in circuit racing. I agree that to be Rally champion require mastering all these surfaces. Even in gravel surfaces there is much variety, like fast flowing roads of Finland, Baltics, New Zealand, to completely opposite rough gravels in Acropolis and Cyprus. Driving on snow also requires somewhat different driving style of Finland for example. I know they look similar, but they aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Take it easy man, just asking cause you gave so many details that ordinary driver couldn't give so I think you must have some experience on different surface at least on rally driver level. Also just being curios how many high crashing-chance spots did you find in Germany and many crashes actually have you seen?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
it just states the organiser point of view.... and with no surprise it blames everyone else apart from the Greeks.... same old story.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
This is hilarious stuff ... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Siberia would be a great snow rally...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisa Statham
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:) LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
It's really not so difficult to predict crash places but speaking for myself I don't go to rallies to watch crashes. The last thing I want to see is somebody injured or dead. That's why predicting crashing places and spectating crashes are two different things. Still I have to admit I have seen quite a lot of crashes live. I do know one cameraman who has taken dozens of crashes in his videos because he likes to do so. He took some crash videos on every event where he was...Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfun
There is much more asphalt rallies in Europe than gravel ones. You can't close Your eyes and pretend the opposite. Asphalt is a natural part of rallying no matter if You like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
On local/national events not that difficult yes but on WRC for the top15 drivers it's not so easy (they don't crash so much except Novikov and many competitive km's on stages so many possibility to chose from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Who spoke about top 15 WRC drivers?Quote:
Originally Posted by amilk
An interesting point regarding tarmac is that the UK drivers of the 60s 70s and early 80s had a career path that started with tarmac night rallies on public open roads (still something most of the world can't compute!) Cowan, Elford, Clark, J McCrae, Pond etc. all started on navigational night events and so were already adept at dealing with changing tarmac conditions before they ever got near forest gravel (although many road rallies would employ farmers tracks). Nowday's fast tracking into national forest events is the usual route (apart from N & S Ireland) for guys in the British Isles, without getting tarmac experience. The first time many of them see tarmac is Epynt or on the Jim Clark Rally. Maybe that's where we are going wrong.
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Originally Posted by Mirek
The topic about WRC - of course they are other drivers than WRC top15 on WRC rounds but after some WRC2 and some clever guy with DS3 we see there mostly tourists
Agreed. I want more 'world' in the world championship.