Rallye Wrc Monte-Carlo 2013

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14th January 2013, 09:11
Kielder

I am convinced that St Bonnet won't disappoint us. Photos from this morning:

http://nsa30.casimages.com/img/2013/...1206195395.jpg
http://nsa29.casimages.com/img/2013/...5751788417.jpg
14th January 2013, 09:17
Jerra

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommeke_B

I don't know if someone has put this here already, if someone did I didn't read it... An interesting part from the regulations to know:

Maximum tyres allowed for WRC-priority:
- Soft 30
- Supersoft 20
- Snow studs 10
- Snow no studs 20
- Total max. 45 (shakedown included, if you don't drive shakedown only 40)

Maximum tyres for non-priority (all other WRC, S2000 and R4) and P3:
- Soft 30
- Supersoft 12
- Snow studs 8
- Snow no studs 20
- Total max. 37 (shakedown included, if you don't drive shakedown only 32)

Also, like in most countries I think, it's forbidden to have two drifferent tyres on the same axle. So if someone wants to go for a "cross-type" option they will have to change tyres on one side just before the start of a stage and just after finish of a stage, as it's not legal to drive "cross-type" on road section.

Oh, and if you add spikes on your tyres manually you get a 30 minutes penalty :D

So even if it's full snow, it's all about strategy...

According to Bulletin No.1 max is 40 with shakedown for WRC cars and 36 for P3 and others 4wd cars
14th January 2013, 09:18
Mirek

The limit on tyres with studs is ridiculous.
14th January 2013, 09:20
Kielder

Same livery for Qatar M-Sport WRT & Qatar WRT:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...10354116_n.jpg
14th January 2013, 09:28
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by satukata

Bouffier ok driver, but slowest citroen wrc in monte ;)

Realistically yes, providing Mikko speeds up a bit from last year's Monte.

Anyone know, has Bouffier even driven a WRCar competitively before?
14th January 2013, 09:29
Francis44

You guys rank Mikko way too high here in MC. Last year in the second half of the season he had some less than welcome results.

Loeb and Sordo are easily faster, Bouffier might surprise him aswell.
14th January 2013, 09:30
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

Anyone know, has Bouffier even driven a WRCar competitively before?

I think never.
14th January 2013, 09:43
tommeke_B

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis44

You guys rank Mikko way too high here in MC. Last year in the second half of the season he had some less than welcome results.

Loeb and Sordo are easily faster, Bouffier might surprise him aswell.

Maybe you are wrong in stead of all the others? ;)

@Jerra, I don't know, what I typed is from the regulations from the website of the rally... Would be strange if they say different. But ok, the most important notice is the number of studded tyres that is too low... The question is not if you should use them, the question is when... Looks like it will be a lottery like almost all years, but in a different way now.
14th January 2013, 09:52
rage82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bartek

Gravel crew is driving before stage start, yes? How many minutes before stage start?

From FIA regulations:
"11.4 ROUTE NOTE CARS11.4.1 For sections of a rally run entirely on asphalt, one route note car may be used for each driver
entered with a World Rally car.
Such cars shall:
- Contain no more than 2 persons.
- Comply with the requirements for reconnaissance cars as in Art. 25.1.
- Carry any required FIA signage on each front door including ‘Safe Drive’ logos.
- Operate the speed control device as used during reconnaissance.
- Respect the speed limit for the special stages which will be announced by the clerk of the course.
- Operate within a schedule issued by the organisers and run under the authority of the clerk of the course.
- Respect the list of route note exchange points which may be issued by the clerk of the course.
- Cover no more than one passage of each special stage.
- In no way interfere with the schedule of the rally.
- Be used only for drivers who did not retire during the event.
11.4.2 The rally organisation may also run its own route note car to provide advisory route notes for the
other competitors. "
14th January 2013, 09:53
6789

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=wx3A309cx3E
14th January 2013, 09:54
Francis44

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommeke_B

Maybe you are wrong in stead of all the others? ;)

Of course, that is just my opinion, and it's worth what is worth ;) , same as everyone else's.
14th January 2013, 10:05
Jerra

They changed max number of tyres with Bulletin No.1 from December 17th. You can find in Documents downloading section on the official web. Regulation came long time ago and is subject of corrections. I am especially surprised with number of snow tyres, only 10!
14th January 2013, 10:09
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by rage82

From FIA regulations:
"11.4 ROUTE NOTE CARS11.4.1 For sections of a rally run entirely on asphalt, one route note car may be used for each driver
entered with a World Rally car.
Such cars shall:
- Contain no more than 2 persons.
- Comply with the requirements for reconnaissance cars as in Art. 25.1.
- Carry any required FIA signage on each front door including ‘Safe Drive’ logos.
- Operate the speed control device as used during reconnaissance.
- Respect the speed limit for the special stages which will be announced by the clerk of the course.
- Operate within a schedule issued by the organisers and run under the authority of the clerk of the course.
- Respect the list of route note exchange points which may be issued by the clerk of the course.
- Cover no more than one passage of each special stage.
- In no way interfere with the schedule of the rally.
- Be used only for drivers who did not retire during the event.
11.4.2 The rally organisation may also run its own route note car to provide advisory route notes for the
other competitors. "

If I remember right gravel crews usually drive through stage in cca two hours before start and the last ones disappear around one hour to start. They need to finish the stage before the crew leave service park.
14th January 2013, 10:18
rallye-sport

Update Service Park -> http://www.rallye-sport.fr/le-parc-d...nce-sinstalle/

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-conten...13/mg_9008.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-conten...13/mg_8974.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-conten...13/mg_8971.jpg
14th January 2013, 10:45
Jerra

Those drivers portraits on the VW truck scare me ... Not good idea from designer
14th January 2013, 10:47
EightGear

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kielder

Same livery for Qatar M-Sport WRT & Qatar WRT:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...10354116_n.jpg

That's a bit of a shame: 4 cars with exactly the same livery. And in Sweden it will be 5...
14th January 2013, 10:52
RS

If the Fords have the same livery who is paying the bills for Hanninen? Qatar also?
14th January 2013, 11:49
satukata

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis44

You guys rank Mikko way too high here in MC. Last year in the second half of the season he had some less than welcome results.

Loeb and Sordo are easily faster, Bouffier might surprise him aswell.

If there is full snow stages Mikko will be very fast. :D
14th January 2013, 11:51
satukata

Hänninen´s sponsors pay to msport
14th January 2013, 11:53
amilk

Quote:

Originally Posted by EightGear

That's a bit of a shame: 4 cars with exactly the same livery. And in Sweden it will be 5...

Happy to see so much Ford - the last thing the livery
14th January 2013, 11:56
EightGear

Quote:

Originally Posted by amilk

Happy to see so much Ford - the last thing the livery

Yes of course but 5 cars with the same livery is a bit ridiculous. Some difference in the colours between Qatar M-Sport and Qatar WRT would be better.

But the fact that there are still a lot of Ford's is good, obviously.
14th January 2013, 11:58
rage82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

If I remember right gravel crews usually drive through stage in cca two hours before start and the last ones disappear around one hour to start. They need to finish the stage before the crew leave service park.

I think you are right. The last gravel crews disappear hour, hour and a half before the start of the SS. Not so sure about that they have to finish the stage before the leaving of the service park because I think they have some spots along the road sections where they can exchanege the notes.
14th January 2013, 11:59
Kielder

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...23331732_n.jpg
14th January 2013, 12:11
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by rage82

I think you are right. The last gravel crews disappear hour, hour and a half before the start of the SS. Not so sure about that they have to finish the stage before the leaving of the service park because I think they have some spots along the road sections where they can exchanege the notes.

Sure but for tyre choice You need to know the situation sooner.
14th January 2013, 12:16
satukata

what you think about Juho Hänninen´s changes in monte?

wrc.com "Seasoned competitor Juho Hanninen, of the Qatar M-Sport WRT, is the pick of the Fiesta pilots and has podium potential."

Podium changes?
14th January 2013, 12:43
EightGear

Quote:

Originally Posted by satukata

what you think about Juho Hänninen´s changes in monte?

wrc.com "Seasoned competitor Juho Hanninen, of the Qatar M-Sport WRT, is the pick of the Fiesta pilots and has podium potential."

Podium changes?

I really hope so, but it seems unlikely for his first start with the Fiesta... If he had done some events in the Fiesta prior to Monte I think he could really challenge for the podium.
On the other hand, he is one of more experienced competitors on the Monte, especially during recent years (except last year).
14th January 2013, 12:46
rage82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

Sure but for tyre choice You need to know the situation sooner.

Agree!
14th January 2013, 13:23
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by satukata

Hänninen´s sponsors pay to msport

Is M-Sport prepping all the Fords ?

Whats the difference between Qatar M-Sport & Qatar WRT ?
14th January 2013, 13:36
Mirek

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS

If the Fords have the same livery who is paying the bills for Hanninen? Qatar also?

There is big Nisula sticker on the car of Juho.
14th January 2013, 13:39
satukata

I hope all the best for Juho
14th January 2013, 13:48
bluuford

Weather for tomorrow shakedown:
Night will be cold, approximately -3 degrees.
Temperature is -0.5 degrees at the beginning of shakedown climbs to 0 by 10 AM and +1.5 by 12.

Light snow starts around 7 AM and it turns to stronger snowfall by 8 AM, should end between 10 and 11 (Maybe with light rain). 3-5 cm fresh snow should be there by that time.

The information for the second day looks interesting: Stage 2, 4 should be 100% under snowcover, temperature as low as -8 degrees. Stage 1 a bit warmer, but still most of the stage under the light snowcover and maybe some of it has turned to ice overnight.
14th January 2013, 14:03
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirek

The limit on tyres with studs is ridiculous.

agree!! figure out if you have to run mixed stages and destroy them at some km without snow.
14th January 2013, 14:14
bluuford

Tomorrow we are going to see all the top drivers on normal snow tyres (without studs) to test how do drive on those and to save proper tires.. I guess.
I think that we are going to see a lot of mixed sets.. 2 snow+ 2 studs should help to survive 5 different tyre changes. If here is someone going really fast at the beginning then we might expect that he is not so fast by the end (when they run out of proper tires).
14th January 2013, 15:17
Kielder

A classic man on the right :up: :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAlCCsqCcAEyvJA.jpg:large
14th January 2013, 15:39
tolis

rallysport.hu - Monte Carlo Rallye 2012 - szerviz
14th January 2013, 15:50
stefanvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by tolis

rallysport.hu - Monte Carlo Rallye 2012 - szerviz

Great photos, but the year is not correct :D
14th January 2013, 15:54
makinen_fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by vkangas

Finnish names are hard, but still.... :rolleyes:

Miikka's name fixed today!

http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2013...to_005_jpg.jpg
14th January 2013, 15:56
Kielder

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

http://nsa30.casimages.com/img/2013/...0062753283.jpg

Fast and silent ( :wave: VW):

http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2013...to_005_jpg.jpg
14th January 2013, 16:02
pantealex

Quote:

Originally Posted by rallye-sport

Update Service Park -> Photos Rallye Monte-Carlo 2013

Ford:
picture 2 "Endless" in front bumber
picture 3 "M-Sport" in front bumber

so bit difference in liverys!

in other gallery we can that also in doors can be diferent text "Nisula" in Juho and M-Sport in Thierrys car.

It looks like Citroens also have same colors for both teams.
14th January 2013, 16:06
alleskids

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Is M-Sport prepping all the Fords ?

Whats the difference between Qatar M-Sport & Qatar WRT ?

there is no difference.
Qatar M-Sport WRT Ostberg/Novikov is entered as an Manufacturer team, as M-Sport is regulation-technical reconized as a manufacturer, replacing Ford, but still the same team, and almost the same support from Ford, only not in full public

Qatar WRT Al Attiyah/Neuville /Hannine is entered as an M2 team

so Qatar Ford has 2 teams scoring points, just as Abu Dhabi Citroen has 2 teams entering the 2013 WRC

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