Sounds a good possibility that Makinen heard how uphappy Ogier was at Citroen (with the car) and so didnt rush to sign Tanak knowing he could replace him if necessary.
Tanak's criticism of the TMR team car's problems also must've upset Tommi a bit.
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Sounds a good possibility that Makinen heard how uphappy Ogier was at Citroen (with the car) and so didnt rush to sign Tanak knowing he could replace him if necessary.
Tanak's criticism of the TMR team car's problems also must've upset Tommi a bit.
Emn.. BS. Tänak was really calm and quiet about the car until the ECU problem this year.. It was basically the first/only times he said anything about the car and it was about that it is quite hard to fight fot the title, when problems like this still happen.
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One of the few technical problems Ogier had this year and his wifey bursts out some dumb stuff
Toyota don't need Red Bull money to run their motorsport programs. Toyota has their Gazoo Racing livery both rally and circuit, surely there will never be as massive RB logos on Toyota as they had on Citroen and M-Sport Ford.
If Tommi tolerated Latvala's onboard bursts in Poland and Finland 2017, I'm sure he didn't bother that much for Tänak's quite mild statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
When is the last time we have seen a passionate outburst from Makinen? ;) I'm pretty confident there won't be any. For example lately in Japan he continued to spoke in normal Tommi style. Yet, would be amazed if TMR/MMM&OT will do some co-operation after this. Maybe TMR even might do, but MMM&OT pretty sure have decided that they won't re-start co-operation in any format.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
What comes to Jouhki, Jouhki money has given hard time to many up and coming drivers from 90's onwards and it's clear that many of those drivers does not appreciate what the pay driver approach effect to drivers market has done. Nevertheless money has always had some role in drivers market.
But good interview with Markko, thanks for translating EstWRC!
Especially the points below feel interesting and would be nice to hear more from Markko, what he meant with those in practise. Maybe Delfi could do an additional interview.
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So what happened with the Toyota team? There were a lot of rumors about how things got worse over time and people started to leave. How much did it all affect?
Last year was a small crisis for the team and the environment hasn't been the easiest...
So the Toyota team lacked a bit...
Everything is relative. If you don't want to win titles, you don't have to set anything. If you want the best for your team, you can do it differently.
What made you realize that the Mäkinen team doesn't really want to keep Tänak in their team?
I can't say there was only one thing, but you can see if they really are behind you and do the maximum for you. You can sense how the rallies are planned and whether this vision is the same or different.
It seemed that in the second half of the season - but maybe before - the relations between Tänak and Mäkinen were not the best.
I can't comment on that.
This can be the only explanation.
That was not actually what he was saying, that was a bad translation unfortunately. Basically what he was trying to say was ''I don't know anything about that.''Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
So he knows all about the situation but doesn't know how relations were between Tanak and Makinen ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mmm
Sure. :rolleyes:
Look at Tänak arriving in SP after his victories, rally ADAC for example. Things might have gotten a bit cooler after that contract thing in September though.
In so sensitive and explosive interview most of the meaning may come from HOW it was said.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmm
This "I can't comment on that" is not "I know but I can not say it for you", but from estonian media I would explain it with "I have not heard anything about this" / "I don't know what are you talking about".
At the same time he probably don't want to wash dirty underwear in media and burn some bridges, in case there is some still left to burn.
Markko knows 1-2 person(s) in Toyota with whom Tänak had poor relations but he don't want to give public comment to make a fuzz about it.
The relations were the biggest reason for Tänak to leave. Same goes with Lappi at the end of 2018.
Lastly, Ott, I am happy like myself that you finally achieved your dream, becoming World Rally Champion. Myself and Toyota are very proud of helping to achieve it.
Unlike Mr. Tomoyama (President, GAZOO Racing Company), I have not been good at climbing the podium, but you taught me how to do it in Finland last year. Thanks to you, I could see the view from the top of the podium and get to know how sticky the champagne is. I really appreciated it.
I think your decision, “After achieving the goal, I want a new challenge with different environment”, is simply amazing. You will become Toyota’s rival next year. For us, having a strong rival is big motivation to move forward.
Because you have taught me how to stand on the top of the podium and how to open champagne bottles well, I can shower the champagne to you from higher position when we see each other the next time. See you again on the podium!
https://toyotagazooracing.com/releas...c/1127-01.html
yeap i mentioned that when i read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Imho i wouldnt said that.
yep, sounds odd
Ok, let's assume Jouhki lied. What is the reason behind it?
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Here we go, Mäkinen finally replies to the Märtin interview
https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-11090636
Mäkinen mostly just says "I don't know, I don't understand, I haven't heard anything like that, I don't recognize myself from that"
Then there is Riku Tahko, ex-driver, who is often used as an "expert" with YLE sports. He believes firmly that the R5 business was the main reason in the debate, although Märtin claimed otherwise.
Mäkinen also says the Toyota R5 project is "not even decided yet" and "if it comes, it will be at least two years in the making". Tahko says it's down to the current base model not being suitable.
Oh, and by the way, Timo Jouhki is not interviewed!
...yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
He may play blind, or he is blind, or it's just required PR to keep things calm. Rises a question, is he aware of situation or not. I got some feeling from this, that if Tänak wanted some changes with car he didn't get those (fast enough).Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Märtin seems to me really direct and nofilter guy, he do not say a lot, but if he do, he says what he thinks with hitting and hurting truth. I don't know anything about Riku Tahko person, but if person only talking about believes, it's called religion. Arguments are not important there.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I don't know situation in Finland but previously - was he running to media more himself or he was "easy-to-call" to get some clickbiters to newsfeed?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I'd say easy to call, but I just mentioned that because I've heard accusations that Finnish rally media is just ramblings of Jouhki :DQuote:
Originally Posted by meh
I think what a good media would do is get phone call to Tommi and ask directly from tommi not publishing some so called experts toughts - just for advise.
I thought that Estonian media is only rubbish but its worldwide.
This is exactly what they have done in this article. He just doesn't say anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by reff92
So that mean that they don't even start that project. No wonder that Tanak left them if they are bunch of only talking people.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
What if WRC main category will be R5 cars? TGR don't have anything to offer at the moment and he says it's 2 year development... And they don't even start to think about it. Oh, I mean they are thinking about it for like 3 years now. Their minds must have so much imagination...
Tahko writes it was the R5 project , Mäkinen doesn't know why. One of them is lying.
Toyota R5 test car drives already for couple of months
Ofcourse Martin would claim it wasn't to do with the R5 business, even if it was.
We likely will never know for sure. Too many conflicting reports from various sides
we will know,if MMM run hyundais r5 programm.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Just few weeks ago we saw their brand new fiesta mk2 r5 for sale.
If that happens and it transpires the R5 project was the big deal behind this move...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Then that really isn't going to look good for Martin & Tanak, if he isn't as competitive/ fast/ dominant in the I20 as he was in the Yaris.
Well...then why didn`t Mäkinen sya, that yes, there was this thing that came between them, running the R5 project...instead he just says "i don`t know", when he actually does...and saying that would take the heat of him (and else in and around the stable).
As for MM selling one (actually another also, prevoius gen. R5), might got something to do with the fact that there isn`t Katsuta anymore and one car to rent is sufficient enough...they actually sold their first Fiesta R5 very soon also, chassis no. 4 was bought in July 2013 and in january 2014 it was already owned by Stohl...since then they have bought and sold a few i believe.
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If you refer to this latest YLE article, Mäkinen doesn't say "I don't know" about MMM running the Toyota R5 program. What he says about R5 carsQuote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
- They have quite a lot of research of R5 car
- They have done preparing and market research
- They have no decision on how they will work
- The decision will come from Japan
- The R5 car won't be seen in action in a while, it will take at least two years
- It's not planned for the current model
- The R5 project is not even agreed to be done at TMR
So I really doubt, that there was anything to do with Märtin wanting to run the whole R5 project or smth, if they really don't even know much about it..
When asked by the Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sanomat to comment on Märtin's statement, Jouhki said: "He said in the interview that my last world champion was Tommi Mäkinen. I can answer that since that my drivers have won 35 rallies, have had many second places in the championship, having become the WRC2 World Champion and so on. So I can't possibly consider myself a man of last winter. If a man like Marrko starts to criticise then let him have his own opinion"
Yeah I read it too. He actually doesn't answer the question just acts like he's superior but no on point answersQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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This seems to have really hit the mark on Jouhki which is actually really funny.
In that same period just Gronholm alone (the non-Jouhki Finnish driver) had 29 rally wins, Ogier 47 and Loeb 79, brings some perspective to those numbers.
Feels even more funny if we mention Jouhki's last WRC champion was Mäkinen during the previous century:)Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
In the future the manager will get one more champion under his belt (Rovanperä) but I think Kalle would have gone to Toyota with or without Jouhki's management.
WRC 2019 - Season Onboard Ott Tänak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8xouXHgIYI
Jon Noble asked Ott at the FIA gala how the Hyundai test was but like always he avoided the question and started talking instead about changing the team, when he finished Noble asked again: "But was it comfortable?" and Ott kind of ironically answered:"yes it was" :D
if anybody is intesrested you can watch he Gala here https://www.facebook.com/pg/fia/vide...=page_internal (the stream went offline now, Otts interview is first if you replay it)
Ott seemed very relaxed about the questions on moving to Hyundai. He said there were no hard feelings between him and Makinen.
Could be another pointer that Tommi had Ogier lined-up all along...
ΕstWRC Christmas present
https://youtu.be/-mDBJQP0DB8