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Dog's gonna eat mine..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
It's enough of a gimmick as it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
More and more people are saying the tyres have gave us the better racing.
The changes were far too radical. I'm not saying it out of hindsight as of this year because it was evident last year in Bahrain let alone Canada that we needed softer tyres.Quote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/9491764.stm
F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone has heaped praise on Pirelli for being daring enough to produce tyres that degrade quickly, saying they are "90%" responsible for the change in spectacle in the 2011 F1 season. Pirelli's manufacturing of tyres that are only good for 15-25 laps has led to teams changing their strategies.
In the 80s and early 90s (and someone please add more as my knowledge of endurance racing of that era is limited) IMSA and WSPC (Norisring) had 'sprint' races with drivers in individual cars and really gave the drivers a good workout - mentally and physically over a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
IIRC the Grand Prix style races for IMSA were mainly on street courses and well worth looking up on youtube for.
What is is about this thread which makes some people unable to form a reasonable argument? You don't like it how it is at the moment and if they change it to make it better than that's still not better? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
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Originally Posted by Daniel
That is from a guy who replies "Blah , blah , blah" to questions .
I noticed something in the second practice .
Drivers were passing each other , despite BOTH having the flap open .
I do still have some reservation about it's safety , but some of that concern would be lesser if they were to allow the use of the system at all times , like they just ran in practice .
The closing speeds were enough to get by , but the guy in front isn't handcuffed .
I think having prescribed zones is a bit stupid, make it the drivers decision when to deploy it, I agree with that. I also think care needs to be taken to ensure that like in Turkey it doesn't simply enable people to pass, it needs to be set up so that it enables people to get alongside other drivers rather than simply drive around them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
We seem to have reached some "middle ground" here , Daniel .Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
The real problem for me in believing in this DRS lies then , in if the system is only deployed in those prescribed zones , it is very possible to get it wrong , and we all suffer an embarassment like Turkey , where the guy in front often preferred to move aside , rather than risk serious defence of his position .
If it was open for all sessions and racing , it entirely removes the "sitting duck" issue .
It's a large part of why I dislike it .
I would certainly dislike it less if nobody was hobbled .
Tyres, tyres, tyresQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Do you not comprehend that this has been difference to the racing?
I do.
Tiring , isn't it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
(sorry , couldn't resist)
I agree, and think that the tires this year have had a much more significant difference in car speeds as compared to KERS or DRS. At Turkey it appears that many if not most passes in the DRS zone were essentially a "done deal" before the DRS zone started. Though KERS and DRS contributed to the pass, it looked as if at least a few cases the passing car really didn't need either of the systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91556
the DRS will have two zones from Canada onwards. In montreal, this will be on the long straight after the hairpin and the start/finish straight. Unfortunatly, there is only one detection zone still, meaning that if the pass doesn't come off in the first zone, the follower will have another chance. But this means if the overtake is done in the first zone, they will be able to pull away in zone 2. This could have been really good if they had a second detection zone letting the driver who had possibly just been overtaken fight back, producing some great battling hopefully through turns 1 and 2 in Montreal whilst also being fair on both drivers.
Such a shame.
Just goes to show that the FIA do not thoroughly think about these changes before applying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR
Yeah I agree. An opportunity missed there I feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR
Plus, if they are going to start creating multiple passing spots per lap I would also advocate a move towards push to pass. Anyone can open the flap at these places regardless of the situation, but only for a limited time per race. IMO it would add another layer of skill to a system I already enjoy.
Even I have to admit that 2 zones and only one detection zone is stupid.
Lots of stops, busy pit exit, a narrow straight and a DRS zone - its going to be an interesting mix in Spain.
can't argue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
That is a really stupid situation, why have they studied this and come to a decision to allow two DRS zones in Canada, but at the same time not thought it through enough to think it might be a good idea to have a second detection zone, a waste of a bit of common sense.
Typical FIA rule makers and fiddlers.
Looks like the zone isn't long enough in Spain!
All the overtaking so far is because of the tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Another strange strategy move for Vettel. Sure the car looks bad in dirty air behind the Ferrari, however with todays tires being slightly out of sync might cost you a handful of places.
Interesting to see that Alonso and Ferrari copy this strategy.
I wonder how will McLaren react given that they have their drivers on different strategies up to now.
And Lewis gets the fastest lap of the race right now.
Vettel counters with a 1.5 seconds faster lap.
This isn't DRS related?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
When Hamilton does pit his tyres should be faster than Vettel. But I think Hamilton is racing for 2nd place now.
That stupid last chicane is killing the racing on this track, without it you wouldn't even need gimmicks like DRS.
The blistering on the Ferrari's tires is impressive.
Meanwhile Massa doing some skating on those hard tires.
Alonso has to go 25 laps on the last stint on hard tires?! His previous stint on hards was a only bit over 10 laps before the performance was gone.
Last pit stops are supposedly done now so the fight for 1st will be on track.
All of a sudden Vettel may use KERS again?!
And Heikki might bring out the SC.
Typical Trulli crap when he mixes in the front running battles. He will never learn, the sooner he goes the better. :down:
On the other hand, Hamilton has his hands full of buttons, first use the blue then use the yellow one. What next?
Great race by Vettel! Congratulations! :up:
Sorry for the off topic, please move my blabbering to teh right place or delete it.
Too long in Turkey, too short in Spain... given the advanced simulators the teams have available, I have to wonder why the FIA can't figure out where to put the DRS zone. You'd think they could get a couple of teams to try it out in their simulators and tell them what the advantage is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Or just get some teams to try it out in Friday practice!
Personally I thought DRS was spot on here. No one was breezing past, it just put the chasing driver in position to either banzi up the inside into turn 1, or be close enough for another stab later in the lap.
But it didn't really seem to help at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
It did help Lewis gain 0.3 seconds on straight every lap and not fade away behind Vettel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Didn't know they could use it to overtake backmarkers. That seems a bit odd.
In terms of breezing by before the braking zone? No it didn't. But no one wants that. There were a handful of passes that were 100% DRS assisted, but as Ioan says Lewis was piling on the pressure thanks to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I don't think they can. Martin kept saying it, but I thought it was established that DRS was only for position battles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
They do use it for backmarkers. I don't know how the system works but it doesn't distinguish between racing for position or if is lapped traffic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
One of the many faults with the DRS, however a way smaller fault then the existence itself of this device.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
This race was a good example of how DRS should be: it gave the overtaker a fighting chance down into turn one, but still made him do a lot of work once he got there. Used properly, I don't really understand the opposition to the system.
I agree, that doesn't seem to make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark