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Yes they are volunteers. They do it for the love of the sport. Even something so minor as a trackday requires marshalling.
That's all folks... for today.
1 Webber Red Bull 1m19.299s
2 Alonso Ferrari 1m20.115s +0.816
3 Button McLaren 1m20.394s +1.095
4 Hulkenberg Williams 1m21.432s +2.133
5 Schumacher Mercedes 1m21.437s +2.138
6 Kubica Renault 1m21.916s +2.617
7 Sutil Force India 1m21.939s +2.640
8 Kobayashi Sauber 1m22.228s +2.929
9 Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1m22.564s +3.265
10 Di Grassi Virgin 1m23.504s +4.205
11 Kovalainen Lotus 1m23.521s +4.222
Yeah, but I don't like to brag. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Both Virgin and Lotus seem to be neck and neck.
Excellent testing times today. I think we're beginning to see a more accurate detail of the cars' true speed. By Barcelona we should have a good picture of the front runners, Red Bull ontop!
And within a second of the next best too, that is great progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
Here's hoping they both have a trouble free dry day of testing tomorrow, any bets that the gap between them and the fastest could be nearer to 3 seconds? I think its possible.
Many interesting stories on the F1 grid this year, but I am sure that there is not a single true formula one fan that would not rejoice if Rubens wins a grand prix for Williams :DQuote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Surely there would not be a dry eye in pit lane, the track and those watching on tv!
I am great fan of Frank Williams and Patrick Head.
I cant cant remember a seasson when I was so exited about F1, maybe in 97 when Norberto Fontana Was in saber but this have a lot of interestings ingredients than make it more interesting for me even if lopez can't be in the grid.
I will cry like my wife with a romantic movie if Rubinho win for williams this year and that is a promise.
I don't mind marshalling trackdays because, unlike actual races, they pay me in free tracktime ;) Ask any Flagger if he'd marshal an F1 race and they'll jump for it. Best seat in the house.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Red Bull is looking good, can't wait for the first race :)
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by racepode1
As a kid, I was at Kyalami in 1974 when Lole won his first grand prix.
Fantastic effort by Kamui today. By all accounts he set that lap at the end of the day having not done a low fuel run in the morning when the track conditions were at their best - so 3rd fastest is brilliant! Go Kobay! :D
I've been following all the live testing updates on the Autosport website, which has been good, but I'm still none the wiser as to what all these erratic times are suggesting with regard to likely competitiveness in race conditions.
Is there anyone on here who knows what they're talking about who is able to make sense of everything that has been going on in testing and make a half-decent prediction for the racing season?
I'm particularly interested in Lewis Hamilton, Jenson Button, Michael Schumacher and Fernando Alonso. Also I'm interested in the likely race performance of the Lotus.
:)
OVERALL TIMES FROM 3rd TEST AT JEREZ (Not including test/reserve drivers)
* Best times set in wet weather
1. Jenson Button - McLaren .................... 1m 18.871
2. Robert Kubica - Renault .................... + 0.243
3. Kamui Kobayashi - Sauber ................ + 0.317
4. Mark Webber - Red Bull ................ + 0.428
5. Vitantonio Liuzzi - Force India ................ + 0.779
6. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes ................ + 1.190
7. Fernando Alonso - Ferrari ................ + 1.244
8. Jaime Alguersuari - Toro Rosso ................ + 2.182
9. Niko Hulkenberg - Williams ................ + 2.561
10. Michael Schumacher - Mercedes ................ + 2.566
11. Adrian Sutil - Force India ................ + 3.068
12. Timo Glock - Virgin ................ + 3.562
13. Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull ................ + 3.722
14. Lewis Hamilton - McLaren ................ + 4.146
15. Felipe Massa - Ferrari ................ + 4.333
16. Sebastien Buemi - Toro Rosso ................ + 4.451
17. Pedro de la Rosa - Sauber ................ + 4.496
18. Jarno Trulli - Lotus ................ + 4.599
19. Lucas di Grassi - Virgin ................ + 4.633
20. Heikki Kovalainen - Lotus ................ + 4.650
21. Vitaly Petrov - Renault ................ + 7.366 *
22. Rubens Barrichello - Williams ................ + 8.274 *
There is one thing though im fairly sure of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triumph
Either Mercedes are sandbagging or they clearly have some issues with their car. Both Rosberg and Schumacher have done 377 laps between them over the 4 days (which will likely have included low fuel runs) and they still did not get to within a second of the fastest time set by Jenson Button.
I was wondering about Mercedes. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they have something up their sleeve.
I'm gonna come off the fence and predict that the car is flawed at the moment. Jenson commented that he tracked the Merc of Schu for several laps and he described the car as "twitchy" and mentioned that it kept "locking its rears". Brawn mentioned a balance issue at the first test and perhaps that remains unsolved.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlaF1
As for the question of where everyone stands Triumph; if the drivers don't know, what hope have we got. The only thing that everyone seems to agree on is that the F10 is monster fast.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81623Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Alonso today said the F10 is the best car he's ever had and that Ferrari have had no reason to show their hand which he thinks both McLaren and Mercedes GP have done.
Everyone in the paddock is very concerned over the consistency and speed on long runs of the F10.
Interesting views. I wonder how the Ferrari will fare in the reliability department though. That would have a bearing on a season's performance.
Both Stefano Domenicali and Luca Di Montezemolo have both publicly stated prior to Alonso letting the cat out of the bag that the F10 was supremely reliable and that every failure during testing they had indications it would happen. Some think some of the Ferrari stoppages were due to testing how little fuel the car could run on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triumph
Either way Ferrari thinks the F10 is more reliable than it's performance. While things change fast in F1 the F10 looks like a solid package. It's not the kind of car rivals want to see Alonso in. That's for sure.
That should make for an interesting battle with McLaren then! Amongst other things I'm looking forward to another good battle between Lewis and Fernando.
:)
Don't forget Massa, he's one damn good F1 driver. Lost the title to Lewis by 1 point and that's not accounting for crash-gate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triumph
Ferrari have two very gifted drivers as well as McLaren. :)
On the other hand Alonso has driven rubbish since 2007, the cars have moved on since then too as well as Fernando being a rather emotional fellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodster
I haven't read anywhere that there is concern about the Ferrari's long runs. Mclaren - if I recall in the daily test reports were mentioned as being the best on the long runs and Jenson is VERY happy with his long runs.
And Williams have been running their Cosworths at lower than 18,000 rpm in order to test reliability.
The reality is that at this stage we have no idea who will be the best in race configuration because nobody has anything near their race set-up yet, nor the parts that will be on the cars at Sakhir and definitely we have no idea if ANYONE has dialled in a good enough set up that will allow their drivers to run quickly throughout a race without being concerned about tyre wear.
Anderson mentioned in last week's Autosport that he thinks there is going to be trouble when all the teams have revealed their diffusers - to date only Virgin has not been shy about their car's derrier! :D
Lewis correct when he said last week that the true pecking order will only be known after Q1 at Sakhir.
"Monster fast" - then why was it not quickest this week?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
The Brawn which really WAS "monster fast" was NEVER headed.
No car seems to have problems - diffuser problems - but we also do not know how anyone was running, fuel or set-up wise.
St. Devote, the concern of Ferrari it seems are short runs and not long runs. And about monster fast, as Alonso said, no car is that. It seems that we are back in 2008 - cars with very close performance to each other. Mercedes runs heavy, Ferrari dominated Valencia, McLaren Jerez and Red Bull and Renault seem competitive. I doubted the dream season, but it seems to be happening!
Yes, the Ferrari is the car to beat in race trim. Heavy with fuel, while not ultimately as quick as the McLaren, it looks after the tyres better. So, what McLaren may gain in initial pace off the line, Ferrari can make up for in longevity of the tyres towards the end of the stint.
The only posible flaw in the otherwise bulletproof Ferrari is fuel economy.
Potentially, rivals can run less fuel at the start.
But testing has shown that the Ferrari is not only quick, its reliable too. The main players have a lot to fear - with a fired up Alonso and a rejuvenated, determined Massa......
Also, as alluded to earlier, qually pace is a potential issue as the car cannot work the tyres initially....
At this stage with the Catalunya test not even done I think proper evaluation of where the teams are is not possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Especially evaluating tyres and so on. Racing conditions are very different and I have seen nothing to indicate such superiority by any team.
The cars are not even in their final form never mind race set-up.
And again if Ferrari are so much to "fear" why did Mclaren finish another test at the top of the times? Ferrari playing games? The best game in town is to arrive at Sakhir with your car having been consistently the quickest in the tests.
On twitter that 1.18.8 that Jenson achieved after saying he feels extremely confortable in the car had the Mclaren folks extremely excited - I do not think they were expecting that!
However, Catalunya is going to be the first track that everyone can evaluate their current car compared to last - and Jense in particular is for the forst time going to be in a position to compare it to the BGP 01.
For me, Valencia and Jerez have been all about checking the car systems and settling in the drivers, getting the teams in synch. Next week in Catalunya its going to become the real deal.
Mclaren are going to, sometime during the test, put the MP4-25 into near race trim for the first time.
Adrian Newey is the don of the current aero regs - the Red Bull and the Mclaren are the most radical of the front-runners according to Gary Anderson in Autosport.
If the RB 06 really works, with its attempt to gain the best of both worlds with its rear suspension set-up different from everyone else and its diffuser, it is going to be a problem for others.
And Mclaren too with its evolved diffuser and tweaked unusual suspension at the rear.
I think that Red Bull and Mclaren are going to make the early running but Alonso in the Ferrari is going to be their best "part" - Catalunya however is going to be the best indicator yet.
by your analogy, we can expect Ferrari to start sixth/seventh and come through the pack to win. (in a race or 2)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I know its Ferrari, but i dont care, that sounds like exciting racing! I hope you are correct. :D
Or Mclaren are just faster anyway. that would be nice :D
Not if Ferrari run multi lap qually runs to get the tyres up to speed. But then, they have to start the race on those tyres......Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR
Catch 22
Rubens has the Star of David painted atop his helmet - on the front since joining Williams is an advert for the energy drink associated with Williams: HELL.
I guess he has all the bases now covered? :-]
Hahahah!Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
well, this sounds like things are gonna get interesting then...Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Oh puuurlease! Are you trying to suggest that a double world champion does not recognise a good car when he sees it? By your reasoning, Jenson, having driven pants cars since (at least) 2006 wouldn't have realised the Brawn was a good car if it had a banner draped across it which read "best car you'll ever drive".Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I said exactly what I meant. Again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Alonso has driven rubbish since 2007, the cars have moved on since then too as well as Fernando being a rather emotional fellow.
So it WILL feel that way - it does not mean that it is to be a dominant car in 2010 that the entire grid ought to "fear".
I agree with you. And on Twitter the report said that after Jenson's 1.18.1 the team were so obviously delighted - I suspect that they did not expect that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Mclaren said that anything like a race set-up will only be bolted on at the Catalunya test.
And anyone claiming superiority now without seeing what the RBR 06 can do is cruising for a bruising!
Of course I would LOVE those 1.18 laps of Jense to be indicative of being the "2010 Brawn", but it is early days yet. At least we know - I think - that the top runners have all produced decent cars.
Although Gary Anderson reckons we could see political screaming when all the diffusers are exposed. This is F1 after all! :D
I think that even after Valencia where Ferrari dominated, Alonso said that there is no car like the 2009 Brawn GP. No obvious dominator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
ROFL! :D ! Two times WDC or an internet know it all, who am I gonna believe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
Your so blinded by your bromance with Jenson that you forget that after years of driving rubbish Jenson failed to recognise the Brawn as a world beater. His exact words escape me but were something along the lines of - ok guys this car isn't bad, a good base line - to which his team responded that he was over half a second up.
Whereas, Alonso went about his business quietly and after several days testing declared it to be the best car he's driven - I have to say I'm more inclined to believe him than you!
Any predictions on the speed of the F1 cars after 2 jerez tests?
Any team sandbagging?
Look, I'm with you on not liking or supporting Alonso, but you have to admit that the chap knows a thing or two about Formula One cars! If he says the Ferrari is quick then I'm inclined to take him at his word rather than assume that I know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Devote
I hope he's wrong, naturally... :p
This is probably as sober and rational view as you'll find anywhere:Quote:
Originally Posted by f1indiablog
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/0...l-to-play-for/
thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman