Swedish Rally 2010

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26th January 2010, 10:19
Koppomsbo

Still open what car Østberg will use in Sweden.. Prob not a blue one..
26th January 2010, 11:27
Sarac330d

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]Yes, they have 36 mm restrictor (2 mm bigger than WRC) and some other changes like less weight. These cars were driven for example by García-Ojeda or Pons in Asturias.

Why they are then slower than S2000 cars, 400 Hp is very big power, also less weight. They are 0.5-1 sec/km slower than S2000 cars, then you look Barum Rally and you can see that Pech is 0.5-1.5 sec slower than S2000 cars.
Pech has 32mm restrictor(only ~300 Hp instead 400 Hp like in Spain) and more weight than Spanis Super Gr.N cars.

Also i think that Ojeda and Pons are not slow drivers, so why there is no difference in times per km?

Sorry for offtopic, but i am interested why this cars make same time as regular Gr.N cars.
26th January 2010, 11:36
Mirek

Much better handling, brakes, gearbox etc. is more important in rally like Asturias, Sanremo etc. Those Spanish gr.N cars are still much heavier than S2000, have weaker brakes and worse suspension. They can't compensate this significant disadvantage by power when there are almost no straights. On the other hand Barum is very fast, by average speed it's similar like Finland or Sweden on tarmac.
26th January 2010, 11:41
Sami

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Originally Posted by EavesFan09

Obviously not all drivers will be eligible to take points, but I am fairly sure all I am talking about is not so much the eligibility of certain drivers to score, as the eligibility of the cars within the JWRC, SWRC, PWRC and WRC.

'Class' and 'group' for me is not enough for a new fan of rallying to understand how best to understand quickly and easily which driver/team combo will be doing what championship. If that fan could understand which cars are eigible for what championship then that would aid them to better understand and quicker who will be doing what. For example I didn't know Kari Hytonen will be doing Sweden but because he will be doing it in a Suzuki Swift I am sure it is in the JWRC.

Nobody seems to have patience enough to make this clear. I'll try to make it short.

Not everyone in the entry list is participating to a series like jwrc or swrc. Most of the field are driving one off competitions like Kari Hytönen in his Swift. He is definitely not a junior driver! ;)

If you take a look at Swedens entry list, only those that have a number (1, 2 or 3) in the last column are participating in wrc, swrc or pwrc championship series, Sweden is not a jwrc competition at all.

Clear?
26th January 2010, 13:34
MartijnS

Too bad that Grondal drives a Group N instead of his WRC.
26th January 2010, 13:49
Sarac330d

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze

]Much better handling, brakes, gearbox etc. is more important in rally like Asturias, Sanremo etc. Those Spanish gr.N cars are still much heavier than S2000, have weaker brakes and worse suspension. They can't compensate this significant disadvantage by power when there are almost no straights. On the other hand Barum is very fast, by average speed it's similar like Finland or Sweden on tarmac.

So if cars like this in Spain would be driven on Barum Rally then it will be fast as S2000 cars or faster?
26th January 2010, 13:50
Mirek

I guess yes.
26th January 2010, 14:13
Viking

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartijnS

Too bad that Grondal drives a Group N instead of his WRC.

Even if Grøndal`s S10 still is a good car, it is not competitive in a wrc rally. If I got Donaldson right on radio from MC Anders was trying to put together a drive in PWRC with an N2010.
26th January 2010, 15:02
RS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarac330d

Why they are then slower than S2000 cars, 400 Hp is very big power, also less weight. They are 0.5-1 sec/km slower than S2000 cars, then you look Barum Rally and you can see that Pech is 0.5-1.5 sec slower than S2000 cars.
Pech has 32mm restrictor(only ~300 Hp instead 400 Hp like in Spain) and more weight than Spanis Super Gr.N cars.

Also i think that Ojeda and Pons are not slow drivers, so why there is no difference in times per km?

Sorry for offtopic, but i am interested why this cars make same time as regular Gr.N cars.

Sorry to other guys to bring this off topic more, but here are a couple of interesting videos of the Fabia vs. Spanish Grp Ns. Even on a fast race circuit with smooth surface and wide roads you can see the Fabia has the edge despite much lower torque and power:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lnMOnMaSoQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juUEKdp0aDI
26th January 2010, 15:10
Krigen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koppomsbo

Still open what car Østberg will use in Sweden.. Prob not a blue one..

His s12b is blue.
26th January 2010, 15:48
Koppomsbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krigen

His s12b is blue.

Yes, but i dont think he will use a blue car
26th January 2010, 15:54
pucky54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koppomsbo

Yes, but i dont think he will use a blue car

A.t.m. he is on holidays, so we will see when he comes back...
26th January 2010, 16:20
Krigen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koppomsbo

Yes, but i dont think he will use a blue car

You mean he will paint it or what?? He has said he will drive that car in Sweden. Or you know something else??
28th January 2010, 12:40
hari

If someone needs a last minute accomodation, Team BRR has one house for maximum 8 persons left:

The house is situated in Västra Skymnäs, a little south of the Hagfors Airport near way 62. So I guess a perfect location

More information: tanja.selinger@brr.at
28th January 2010, 13:02
Koppomsbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krigen

You mean he will paint it or what?? He has said he will drive that car in Sweden. Or you know something else??

I heard some rumours from guys inside the team but nothing is confirmed so i dont want do scream i out but i dont think the car will be blue.
28th January 2010, 13:44
Sulland

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koppomsbo

Still open what car Østberg will use in Sweden.. Prob not a blue one..

Ok, but will it be WRC or S2000 ?
28th January 2010, 16:15
Tomi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

I think it will be the same car as the works boys in everything but the colour.

The car will be a 2008 specs Focus.
28th January 2010, 16:35
VFTS

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Originally Posted by Sulland

Ok, but will it be WRC or S2000 ?

He cant change class. He can only change car in the class he has entered, then it will be a A8 car.
28th January 2010, 16:40
swordsman

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Originally Posted by VFTS

He cant change class. He can only change car in the class he has entered, then it will be a A8 car.

That's almost correct, but not entirely. He can switch class if all drivers in that class approve it. That has been done before...
28th January 2010, 16:42
VFTS

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordsman

That's almost correct, but not entirely. He can switch class if all drivers in that class approve it. That has been done before...

Yes, youre right. But I dont think they will do that.
28th January 2010, 16:46
swordsman

Quote:

Originally Posted by VFTS

Yes, youre right. But I dont think they will do that.

Probably not! Just wanted to underline that it in fact is possible.
28th January 2010, 17:03
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by VFTS

Yes, youre right. But I dont think they will do that.

Why wouldn´t they? Aren´t they sportsmen? In rallying I´ve seen many times sportmanship between the drivers and even between factory team.
28th January 2010, 17:34
swordsman

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Originally Posted by swordsman

Probably not! Just wanted to underline that it in fact is possible.

Ahh, after Rallyper's post I realized you probably meant that they wouldn't approve it. I thought you ment that the team wouldn't do the process to ask for it.

I absolutely think the other competitors would authorize it. Wouldn't look too good if YOU are the one that is not up to the challenge when someone wants to compete with you?! That would indicate both bad sportsmanship and that you're afraid to lose.

However, I'm not sure how likely the team is to ask for it... :)
28th January 2010, 19:08
EavesFan09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sami

If you take a look at Swedens entry list, only those that have a number (1, 2 or 3) in the last column are participating in wrc, swrc or pwrc championship series, Sweden is not a jwrc competition at all.

Clear?

I think so. I do see the "priority" number right down to and including Joakim Nymam. They are on the official entry list but all those from Jounui Arolainen down are as you say just doing one rally and therefore are not actually on the official entry list for any of the championships. They will obviously be down on the classification for say the SWRC or the JWRC for the rally but they are not on the official entry list and may not be eligible to score points. :)
28th January 2010, 19:18
Simmi

Quote:

Originally Posted by EavesFan09

I think so. I do see the "priority" number right down to and including Joakim Nymam. They are on the official entry list but all those from Jounui Arolainen down are as you say just doing one rally and therefore are not actually on the official entry list for any of the championships. They will obviously be down on the classification for say the SWRC or the JWRC for the rally but they are not on the official entry list and may not be eligible to score points. :)

Privateers not registered for the championships wont be on the classification for the SWRC/JWRC/PWRC. They are privateers and are invisible as far as these FIA championships are concerned - even if they beat all the registered drivers.
28th January 2010, 21:46
Walach

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomi

The car will be a 2008 specs Focus.

Joke or something more real? :confused:
28th January 2010, 22:35
Tomi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walach

Joke or something more real? :confused:

grönholms car in sweden
28th January 2010, 22:46
MartijnS

Haha, I was also confused, Ostberg in a Focus?? ;)
29th January 2010, 08:36
Walach

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomi

grönholms car in sweden

Sorry, that confused me little bit. ;)
29th January 2010, 09:12
EavesFan09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

Privateers not registered for the championships wont be on the classification for the SWRC/JWRC/PWRC. They are privateers and are invisible as far as these FIA championships are concerned - even if they beat all the registered drivers.

What about Danny Snobeck, Ipatec World Rally Team and Mattias Therman who are in the Group A Class 8 which is the WRC?
29th January 2010, 18:01
jbmarcus21

Google Earth Map of Swedish Event : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/googleearthmap.htm
29th January 2010, 20:29
Ghostwalker

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Originally Posted by jbmarcus21

Google Earth Map of Swedish Event : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/googleearthmap.htm

tnx JBmarcus.
29th January 2010, 22:09
Tuscany gravel

I'll came in sweden this year.

I've read that Sagen is a legendary stage of Rally Sweden and it was reintroduced in the rally this year.

Are there some spectacular place in that stage? And in other stages? (i'know Colin's crest)

Thanks
30th January 2010, 08:24
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuscany gravel

I'll came in sweden this year.

I've read that Sagen is a legendary stage of Rally Sweden and it was reintroduced in the rally this year.

Are there some spectacular place in that stage? And in other stages? (i'know Colin's crest)

Thanks

Easiest way to join the Sagen-stage is at the end of stage. Good publicplaces and relatively easy by car. Walking less than 1k.
30th January 2010, 09:47
hari

Has anyone any advices for a good spot on the Shakedown stage?

Last time when the shakedown was in Rada in 2007 I was at the last part of it close to the finish. There was some small jump, but apart of that nothing special.
30th January 2010, 10:03
Salist

Good question Hari. :)
30th January 2010, 11:37
Roy

FYI
Ipatec racing said on their website R Kuipers drives in Sweden not a Ford Focus WRC but his other car: Subaru Impreza S14 WRC.
31st January 2010, 18:31
Langdale Forest

I am looking foward to this rally, I think it will be a 5 way battle for the win with Loeb, Hirvonen, Solberg, Latvala and Gronholm.
31st January 2010, 18:46
pettersolberg29

Think Gronholm might struggle with a slightly older car and without much practise, but we'll see. Only 11 days to go...
31st January 2010, 19:54
Langdale Forest

You would have to be stupid to think he could not win in Sweden though.
He is a genius in Sweden, well that's what he said in 2005!

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