If you are ever in a court of law, try lying and see how "trivial" the court thinks it is!Quote:
Originally Posted by passmeatissue
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If you are ever in a court of law, try lying and see how "trivial" the court thinks it is!Quote:
Originally Posted by passmeatissue
Did you forget that F1 is a TEAM SPORT????? And businesses prevent espionage every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by rohanweb
Whether it is 1 employee or 100 employees involved, theft and espionage is wrong and needs to be punished. If you want to accept that as OK, then what is next? Poisoning another team's drivers?
Aren't they both forms of confidential information???Quote:
Originally Posted by passmeatissue
It's just been raised to a higher (or deeper) level and the media has more access to the information on the cases. The FIA must do something to try and save face when these things become public.Quote:
Originally Posted by raikk
(Of course, there are still those who claim the whole issue is Ferrari's fault! Even Damon Hill - who is hardly unbiased - is still linking Ferrari to the problem with spying "tarnishing" the sport. He still doesn't understand the definition of legality regarding Ferrari's floor in Melbourne!) http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=33371
If all of the teams are caught then that will encourage all of the teams not to cheat. Simple enough really.....Quote:
Originally Posted by raikk
When one considers the content of the information, appearently mass dampers are involved, perhaps this secret form of mass damper is illegal and threfore of little or no use. Even more interesting is the FIA statement rebutuall to Hill that discussed the floor device, and NOTES THAT A DEVICE SIMILAR IN EFFECT WAS BEING ALSO BEING USED BY MAC
Well it wasn't a court of law. But in any case you wouldn't throw the team out of the WMC and fine them $100m for that lying would you? It needs to be proportionate. Otherwise, how would you punish the FIA for saying that the first WMSC decsision was unanimous, when the Italian delegate was already complaining about it? A lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
Everything was built up as though McLaren was the only team ever to have used another team's data. Now it becoming (even) clearer that they are not, as Bernie's 'crisis meeting' with the other teams demonstrates. It's normal in F1 to use whatever you can get.
They are not identical either, are they? It was an analogy to avoid discussing the real issue. Do I condone theft etc etc - of course I don't, that was not the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
Hill is the one who understands the regs. Read them, there is no way a partially sprung floor met 3.15. 3.17 had to be met as well as, not instead of, 3.15 (see 2.4). The FIA added 3.17.6 to get Ferrari off the hook after Melbourne.Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcot
The fact is that they were lying about espionage! That's a much bigger problem than telling a simple lie. You can't separate the two parts - they had the information - they lied about having the information - they lied about how much information they had. It's far more serious than lying by itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by passmeatissue
I probably wouldn't fine McLaren (or Renault if found to be guilty.) I would suggest that the team earns no WCC or WDC points for that season with a probationary period for the next season based on further evidence of espionage. The loss of championship points and revenue would be a fine in itself.