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Amen to that and to Brent for his concise responseQuote:
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Well said, Brent.
Agreed. Good job, Brent.
Secured successful events, tv pkg, new car, secure engine manufacturer, Pi, revamped Atlantics with new car. All things the other series wants. Shoring up the schedule can be done, every series goes through it. When CC has 12 years under their present ownership,then we can compare. The foundation is there.
Brent isn't saying anything new, its the same rant we've heard for years on the forums. Nothing is good enough and throw money at it an make it go away. It used to be about how bad street racing is,now its the European races. Usually you can can count on whatever is being said, the opposite is what will work. True to form ,thanks.
BTW I"ll take all the $5 bets. How do we get paid?
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You guys need to get a room.
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As if those are the ONLY two options? Is this a case of "you're either with us or you're against us"? I agree it is STUPID to be stumping for the folks who are pulling the strings at CC, but I think it is equally as stupid to think that all the pontification, pronouncements and hand wringing in a forum like this are going to do a damn thing to change the goings on at CC. Further, I think it is pathetic that folks think that any one who doesn't join either of those two camps doesn't give a damn about what is happening.
Gary
Sanguin, let's go through your post:
"Secured successful events" -- name them.
"TV pkg" -- Why would the IRL want to pay for TV time when it gets paid for it?
"New car" -- please show me where the IRL wants the DP-01.
"Secure engine manufacturer" -- Layoffs continue at Cosworth, where Bernard Ferguson, a key 23-year engineer, just left. Cosworth has no F1 deal. All Cosworth has is a CC deal.
"Pi" -- Why would the IRL want to own Pi?
"Revamped Atlantics with new car" -- The IPS series experienced a big growth in field this year, more than 20 cars per race. Why does the IRL want Atlantics?
"All things the other series wants?
Baloney.
And by the way, good post, Brent.
No, they don't. That is just another untruth that you hope, by repeating it enough, will become accepted.Quote:
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Give us ONE example where a professional series - ANY professional series - was in the position CCWS is in right now, in mid October, with no more than 2 or 3 races/venues having announced firm dates for the 2008 season which begins in just a few months.
Tell us, sanguin, how do you sell sponsorships under those conditions?
How do you get the best possible TV? Are you willing to sit there and tell us that ABC/ESPN, even as a time buy, will sit there forever and hold time slots for races that are still uncertain as spring programming is being set? Mark my word...the result of all this, if there IS a 2008 season for CCWS, will be that you will see a far greater number of events on ESPN Classic next year.
Now we read that Petit - the owner who is closing up shop - is the only one of the series owners who will even be present in Australia at this "marquis" event.
You poo poo the lack of a schedule as being insignificant, something easily overcome. It's not. It's hard.
The problem is that over the past year, especially, the CCWS ownership has not been able to overcome even the truly "easy things." What makes you think they can do the hard ones?
I read it all the time. You keep saying they don't want anything from CC, but that's not what being posted.Seems they want a lot, venues, Atlantics,teams,they certainly need a new car. Cosworth has other business besides CC.Quote:
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Cosworth - which is owned by Gerry Forsythe and Kevin Kalkhoven, co owners of the Champ Car World Series - is dealing with more road engines and is diversifying into aerospace, medical equipment design and confidential automotive consultancy work. It has recently gained prestigious AS/EN9100 accreditation to manufacture products for the aerospace sector.
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I try to watch it, but I'll give you a few examples. Eurosport had the live Assen CC race coverage timetabled for 1pm GMT on the schedule.
I programmed the reminder on the satellite box, and come 1pm GMT got the reminder flash up that their coverage was about to start.
I pressed the 'select' button, and discovered that the race was live....only it was already on lap 35.
That is for the biggest European race in the ChampCar schedule....on the European channel!
Another time....can't remember the race but it was on late over here (about 10pm GMT)....I switched on at the correct time, to discover that because the WTCC coverage had over-run, they went to the live coverage of the CC race half-way through.
Eurosport is the main backer of the WTCC and therefore really pushes its prominence. Unsurprisingly, because they own the rights to the broadcasts, the coverage is very good, even having the qualifying sessions for most races broadcast live. They even show the Formula Masters support races live on occasions.
Their MotoGP coverage is exceptional, with every session live and then repeated several times...including the practice sessions.
Their Superbike coverage is very good too.
ChampCar races are shown live on Eurosport, but are pitiful in comparison.
I generally end up watching the repeat broadcast on MotorsTV, as its shown later in the week, but even they are not a patch on MotorsTV's coverage of the DTM, which has live qualifying and live race broadcasts for every round.
SkySports cover the IRL and A1GP. This is a subscription channel, but the quality of the coverage is way better than the ChampCar coverage provided by Eurosport. For the record, Eurosport is not free, it is part of the basic satellite package (cost approx $30 a month).
The problem for ChampCar is that in comparison to the other series on Eurosport and the multitude of race series shown on Motors TV (live ALMS, live DTM, live LMS, live V8 SuperCars, all repeated throughout the following week) the image of the series due to the poor coverage and second-class standing it has in the schedules makes it only of interest to the truly devoted...and that's just not good enough for a series with aspirations.