FIA sends spy case to Court of Appeal

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Originally Posted by ioan

Here's Macaluso's answer to Ron:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61279

Short and clever.

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Ron would do well to limit his words in a similar manner. His last statement had too many contradictions with things he stated earlier.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

'A bit difficult', maybe, but possibly not impossible. And the general F1 rumour mill cannot be discounted either.

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as i said before RD is just trying to determine who is a true Maclarent fan who will always drink the Koolaid be it laced with cyanide or some other white powder, and be good like Hamie, accept whatever he says as the ONLY truth known to man, and defend MacLarent to the bitter end. Very reasonable way to weed out the disloyal or fair weather fans and to confirm those like Hamie who "have McLaren in their blood.." as true believers
, .... :imubash:


AND LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE a winner!!!!! And as the lucky winner you will recieve one copy of Mike's very own notarized affidavit after RD copied it at a local copy shop where he saw it but did not look at it


PS
I am still trying to figure out what he was doing in the shower with NS, putting that white powder in the pants pocket of NS..or maybe it was just :love: ??

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Originally Posted by wmcot

Ron would do well to limit his words in a similar manner. His last statement had too many contradictions with things he stated earlier.

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Your advice applies equally to Jean Todt. If Ron's statements are contradictory, then Jean's throwing as much mud as he can in the hope some sticks :p

F1 is the loser :dozey:

Seems pretty obvious that there is plenty of Kool Aid being consumed by both Ferrari and McLaren loyalists.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Your advice applies equally to Jean Todt. If Ron's statements are contradictory, then Jean's throwing as much mud as he can in the hope some sticks :p

F1 is the loser :dozey:

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True, that's why I'd like to see all this come out in the open.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Your advice applies equally to Jean Todt. If Ron's statements are contradictory, then Jean's throwing as much mud as he can in the hope some sticks :p

F1 is the loser :dozey:

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Or you cant watch any Hungarian grand prix !!!

Man this is better than prowrestlin on Tv....body slam that little frenchman... :D

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

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Ferrari clearly found a solution that was not covered by the rules, and therefore not illegal. Teams constantly push the boundaries of the rules, and the FIA are constantly asked for clarification on technical issues. It's normal practice.

The only difference here is in how information reached the FIA that led them to issue a clarification, which in turn meant that every team (not just Ferrari) had to make changes to their floor in order to confirm to the revised test.

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There is a when as well , Arrows . How early did they , through Coughlan , know ?

And , I must mention that it was every team having to make changes ; that is , every team but Ron's . That does make a bit of difference .

Is that why any team may make submissions at the trial ?


The more I hear , the more guilty Ron and his team looks .

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Originally Posted by tinchote

Arrows, as I said in my point 9, I do agree with RD that this has been blown out of proportion. And in any case this will end up being dismissed, because otherwise it is too big a mess.

In all fairness, I don't really understand Ferrari's position. Unless they are in possession of information that clarifies the situation and has not been released.

But I still don't like the way RD is lying, and things haven't improved with removing his drivers from the press conferences today :down:

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I think the guy is over-emotional and confused.

However, I certainly don't want this whole schemozzle to affect what has, so far been an excellent year for F1. I still hope Kimi wins, but he is pushing shyte uphill now :(

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

And , I must mention that it was every team having to make changes ; that is , every team but Ron's . That does make a bit of difference.

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It might if it were true, but the revised tests introduced by the FIA in April affected everyone.

The FIA introduced a revised test after Austrialia where the cars were tested without any of the supporting devices that were allowed to be fitted in the past. According to Autosport: "This comes amid suspicions that some teams may have been using these support devices to cleverly resist the FIA tests but then allow the floor of the car to flex up at high speed - improving a car's aerodynamics and therefore straightline speed."

BMW were one team to claimthat they had made no changes to their car as a result of this test.

In April, amid fears that some teams were still trying to exploit the regulations, the FIA revised the test again.

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Originally Posted by wmcot

....The "fact" that he was aware of the flexible floor and wing separator at Melbourne BUT was not aware of the documents until July? It seems that all the "new evidence" is coming from Ron and much of it contradicts his "old evidence!".

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There always has been a clear distinction between the email highlighting the floor and wing, and the 780-page document. They are not one and the same thing, but for Ferrari to make their allegations stick they need to blur the distinction i.e. McLaren used the email so obviously they must have used the 780-page document.

The best Ferrari have been able to come up with so far is: "The difference between the two teams [in the world championship standings] is so close that it is likely that McLaren's superior number of points is a consequence of its chief designer having the Ferrari documents." (link) They say that McLaren had an "unfair advantage" and that Ferrari would "suffer loss of at least 5.5 million euro" if they lost the WCC and "suffer loss in respect of damage to the Ferrari brand".

That's all very well, but it all hinges on their circumstantial use of the word "likely" and the lack of evidence to date that backs up their claims. Perhaps we will hear evidence at the appeal.

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Nigel Stepney has denied having told the McLaren team about Ferrari's use of a moveable floor device in their car at the Australian Grand Prix.

"It's not true that I revealed those irregularities," Gazzetta dello Sport quoted Stepney's lawyer Sonia Bartolini as saying on his behalf. "You only needed to take a look at the car to realize what was wrong, it was obvious for people who work in F1. At McLaren they knew without the need for whistle blowing."

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61285

What next? :crazy: