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Starter, with all due respect, you're missing the point of a state-funded welfare system.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Give me an example of what you would consider a joke. If you feel that it is funny to make them look like fools and you are Jewish then I would give some credibility to your poking fun in sum way at Hitler or Himmler. What that joke would or could be is anathema to me.

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So only Jewish people are allowed to make jokes about Hitler?

Have you never seen any of the 'Downfall' parodies on youtube?

I joke is simply something that is intended to be humorous.

People say you can't make jokes about rape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAW8Tzt28Ts

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Originally Posted by Big Ben

I don't really think atheism is the answer and I certainly don't appreciate it much the way some preach their atheism from their really high horses. In the end, like it or not, it may not be a religion, but atheism is definitely a faith and convinced atheists are nothing but just another type of fundamentalists because with all their condescending pretended love for reason their entire belief system is so so strongly based on something that isn't and can't be proven, just a very personal and subjective opinion, pretty much like any other faith. But for some unknown reason they are reasonable and the others are unreasonable.

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I disagree.

Faith is believing in something (god in this context) without requiring evidence.

I'm an atheist but I don't have faith that there isn't a god. I just haven't been shown any evidence yet that has convinced me to believe in god. A big difference.

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Starter, with all due respect, you're missing the point of a state-funded welfare system.

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I may be missing the intended point of a state-funded welfare system. I am most definitely NOT missing the result of a state-funded welfare system.

I am all for the so called safety net which would give short term help to those who have encountered crisis of various types in their lives. I have no use for systems which allow "the dole" to be a way of life.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I disagree.

Faith is believing in something (god in this context) without requiring evidence.

I'm an atheist but I don't have faith that there isn't a god. I just haven't been shown any evidence yet that has convinced me to believe in god. A big difference.

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That makes you an agnostic, as am I, and not an Atheist. Show me credible evidence and I'll change my mind. Religion is all a moot point anyway since no one is able to prove that their belief is the true one.

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Originally Posted by Starter

That makes you an agnostic, as am I, and not an Atheist. Show me credible evidence and I'll change my mind. Religion is all a moot point anyway since no one is able to prove that their belief is the true one.

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Well Richard Dawkins still technically defines himself as agnostic, but like him, for all intents and purposes I'm an atheist.

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Originally Posted by Starter

I may be missing the intended point of a state-funded welfare system. I am most definitely NOT missing the result of a state-funded welfare system.

I am all for the so called safety net which would give short term help to those who have encountered crisis of various types in their lives. I have no use for systems which allow "the dole" to be a way of life.

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If the side-effect of state-funded welfare is that £2 of my yearly tax bill is going to those who use the dole as 'a way of life' then so be it. There are far bigger issues in society than this 'result' of sate welfare.

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Originally Posted by Starter

I may be missing the intended point of a state-funded welfare system. I am most definitely NOT missing the result of a state-funded welfare system.

I am all for the so called safety net which would give short term help to those who have encountered crisis of various types in their lives. I have no use for systems which allow "the dole" to be a way of life.

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I don't mean to hijack this thread (but perhaps an interesting discussion for it's own thread), but the intent of a state-funded welfare system is not so much to benefit the individual but society as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

In a way, France is a more modern society than the U.S. With its welfare system it offered migrants way more than they could hope for at home from day one. For the second generation it must have been even easier. They got the level of freedom and the standard of living head and shoulders above than that in their cultural motherland. They got French passports. Even on the lower steps of the social ladder they were doing way better than their brethren in Algeria or Mali. They still didn't integrate. Who's to blame?

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Be careful about generalising.

Two second or third generation Algerians killed 17 people last week, one of them was a second generation Algerian or Tunisian police officer shot in the head at point blank range while trying to defend the values of the Republic and the French public. He was a religious Muslim too BTW. As was another Muslim from Mali who worked at the kosher supermarket and risked his life helping Jewish shoppers hide in the basement of the store. Did they integrate or no?

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

So only Jewish people are allowed to make jokes about Hitler?

Have you never seen any of the 'Downfall' parodies on youtube?

I joke is simply something that is intended to be humorous.

People say you can't make jokes about rape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAW8Tzt28Ts

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Charlie Chaplin wasn't Jewish either. Didn't stop him from making The Great Dictator, one of the funniest comedies of its era and unlike other comedians he had the guts to do it while Hitler was alive in a film industry that was terrified of offending the Nazis just in case they won in Europe.