Rally RACC España Catalunya

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Originally Posted by jonkka

How much night driving experience Thierry has?

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Not much I think. In Monte 2012 the route has night stages but Thierry was already out, in Portugal same year when Loeb has his off the stage was also in darkness. I can't really remember many other night stages excluding the sss in Mexico.
PS. I mean WRC rallys

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Originally Posted by jonkka

Emphasis on the past tense. As rules stand now - drivers are required to do minimum of four passes - shakedown is mainly first action shot photo opportunity for the media.

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Which is fundamentally wrong. The factory teams who can afford their own testing are only a fraction of the event entries. Without the rest the event could not be held in most of cases but nobody cares about them too often. Many of those private teams need shakedown to set the car or at least to get the right feeling from driving after a long pause. What is most important most of private teams can not test with proper WRC tyres before shakedown. It's a case of even big private teams. For example last year in Monte Carlo co-driver of Prokop told me they were given right WRC tyres only before shakedown! Nobody gave them the tyres for testing, they gave them only to works teams...

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Originally Posted by rage82

Not much I think. In Monte 2012 the route has night stages but Thierry was already out, in Portugal same year when Loeb has his off the stage was also in darkness. I can't really remember many other night stages excluding the sss in Mexico.

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You are wrong. Unlike WRC the IRC and Belgian championship had run night stages as a quite common thing.

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Originally Posted by jonkka

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Originally Posted by Doon

I always thought Shakedown was to do any final adjustments to the setup of the cars?

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Emphasis on the past tense. As rules stand now - drivers are required to do minimum of four passes - shakedown is mainly first action shot photo opportunity for the media.

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Doesn't that come from the rally itself.....action shots? Ironically, if they are looking for action shots they should run the shakedown on a proper stage, with proper scenery! Not round a car park/town park/stadium. Can't be long before there is a shakedown on a racing circuit at this rate! Rally GB at Oulton Park for 2014, take it back to the people lol.

[SS2] Thierry Neuville (Ford) 12:49.2 Through next, 8.8-seconds down on Ogier "Its not working at all, I have done it once before in 2009 but not in WRC (car). They all know the stage quite well, I struggle in the dark, I struggle with the settings, I cannot do more."

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Originally Posted by Mirek

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Originally Posted by rage82

Not much I think. In Monte 2012 the route has night stages but Thierry was already out, in Portugal same year when Loeb has his off the stage was also in darkness. I can't really remember many other night stages excluding the sss in Mexico.

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You are wrong. Unlike WRC the IRC and Belgian championship had run night stages as a quite common thing.

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Yes, I mean WRC rallys doesn't speak about IRC and Belgian championship.

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Originally Posted by Doon

Doesn't that come from the rally itself.....action shots?

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If you follow how teams' media sites cumulate pictures, you'll note that first (action) pictures are from shakedown. As these are used to illustrate the news stories, average joe doesn't notice the difference from actual rally. Indeed, he even doesn't wonder how they have action shots before rally has started.

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Originally Posted by rage82

[Yes, I mean WRC rallys doesn't speak about IRC and Belgian championship.

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And what is the difference? The talk was about night driving. Is the night in WRC events darker? :)

Kubica is on another level. He's taking the p*ss in WRC2 again. Why after half a season Citroen didn't just put him in a WRC i'll never know.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

[SS2] Thierry Neuville (Ford) 12:49.2 Through next, 8.8-seconds down on Ogier "Its not working at all, I have done it once before in 2009 but not in WRC (car). They all know the stage quite well, I struggle in the dark, I struggle with the settings, I cannot do more."

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So darkness does play a factor after all. Thought so...