Homophobia

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Originally Posted by Starter

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Originally Posted by Dave

Words fail me. That is all.

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Posted at 17:39 my local time:

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Originally Posted by ioan

You're not the only one.

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Posted at 17:46 my local time:

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Originally Posted by ioan

First thing that springs to mind is the difference in the sexual act.
I might be wrong though.

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I think the failure failed. :p :

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Any chance you could clarify? I can't really get the point you are trying to make.

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

I think what Knock-on is saying is that the conversation would be duller if everyone agreed. And since many people hold SlowSon's view anyway, isn't it good that one such person actually has the guts to come out with it, so it can be discussed?

Am I right Knockers? :p

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Pretty much old son.

Personally, I find Slowsons opinion completely contrary to my own but it's good that he feels empowered enough to state it. He must know he would be condemned for his post but without contrasting opinions, it would be a fairly hopeless thread.

There are quite a few Slowsons out there that might not want to admit their personal opinion on an open forum for fear of being slated. We have all come across these people who in 'civilised' company are tollerant and plausible but whose personal opinions are somewhat less reasoned. Even people on here who are not Homophobic may feel reluctant to make a contribution in case they get labled as such.

So, when I say I would prefer my children to be Hetrosexul, it's because that's what I feel. I am making no claim that it's because I want Grandchildren, or that I would be worried about them being bullied. As far as I'm concerned, I cant see any reason why Gay couples can't adopt and wether a child is a biological descendent or adopted matters not a jot to me. As long as the child is well cared for in a happy home is all that matters. Similarly, the bullying point is moot as well. As a parent, it is up to me to ensure that my relationship with my child is an open one where views and worries are discussed and explored. If my child is being bullied, I would know about it and work with the school to identify the source of the bullying and ensure it's addressed.

So, there is no practical reason why I would prefer my children to be Hetrosexual so that must mean I'm Homophobic then? Err, no. I wouldn't dream of treating anyone differently because of their sexuality just as I wouldn't if they were black or whatever. I really do struggle with why we treat people differently when we're all basically the same. The only real difference between us is our personality which is what defines us.

So, when it comes down to it, its just personal opinion. I would 'prefer' it. It is my 'preference'. It's not to say I would treat them any different if they were gay but if they are not, I wouldn't be upset.

Much more of a dissapointment is that the little tossers support Arsenal. Ho hum. So much for preference :(

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Really? Seems a rather narrow, soulless definition to me.

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If reproduction was not the purpose of life, it would not have been made an intensely pleasurable process, surely? I mean, who'd bother otherwise?

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

Surely you can understand this, you seem like a smart man! In no way is being gay 'worse', but I want my children to love motorsport, want them to be successful and likewise want them to be straight. If not then as Knock-On says I won't love them less, but it's just personal preference because that's what I am and it'll make us have more in common etc.

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No, I don't understand this, because it again implies some sort of difference between gay and straight people that doesn't exist. I don't consider that I have more or less in common with anyone as a direct result of my sexuality.

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Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

If though they are gay then it makes no difference, just makes their life a bit harder (rightly or wrongly) due to small-minded individuals around.

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Again, my experience of reality is completely different. My life has been no harder, nor easier, as a result of being gay.

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Originally Posted by ioan

People with certain intellectual level have always been afraid of everything which is different from what they think is normal.
You can add religious indoctrination to the list as well.

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This is what I mean when I discuss the liberal elite--labeling others as afraid (or hateful) in an attempt to control.

Certainly, there are members of my religion (Christianity) who have been guilty of being judgmental, and I do not condone that either. They would be better served if they had adopted a Golden Rule or "love they neighbor" ethos while being permitted to make their case (and allowing others to make theirs).

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

If reproduction was not the purpose of life, it would not have been made an intensely pleasurable process, surely? I mean, who'd bother otherwise?

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People do have sex for reasons other than to procreate, you know.

This notion that there is one overriding purpose to life I really find most odd.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

This is what I mean when I discuss the liberal elite--labeling others as afraid (or hateful) in an attempt to control.

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Or, perhaps, it's just what they feel. My views on the subject are in no way intended as an attempt to control — they are my genuinely felt beliefs. Those who moan about the 'liberal elite' trying to stifle contrary views are, in my view, only perplexed or even unsettled the manner in which society has changed and come over time to deem certain things acceptable that once were not.

Do you not feel that homophobia as a concept exists, or should be considered to exist?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

People do have sex for reasons other than to procreate, you know.

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Yes, because it is pleasurable to do so. Would they have sex if it were not pleasurable?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Yes, because it is pleasurable to do so. Would they have sex if it were not pleasurable?

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Clearly not. What is your point?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Clearly not. What is your point?

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That we appear to be the only species who have sex recreationally, because it is pleasurable. Perhaps, as beings able to rationalise and with our intelligence, we could not be relied upon to reproduce were there not an incentive....

Animals reproduce instictively, and yet population of animals appears to be naturally controlled.

It is only the 'superior' species - i.e. us, that seem unable to control ourselves.