Your ideas to fix Indycar

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Originally Posted by mr nobody

A better TV package would be a huge step in the right direction. Returning to Michigan would also be great as well. Beyond that, I think a return to a "run what you brung" engine would be a good thing. No more engine leases and the engines would be based off of a pre approved list of supplier parts and the teams would be responsible for building/rebuilding their own engines. Three Dyno test/research sessions per team (meaning Penske would get three just like KV would get three just like ECR would get three) and that's it. If the series mandated a specific list of parts, nothing exotic like titanium this or carbon fiber that, it would bring down costs on the costliest thing in the car.

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OMG !!!!!!!!!!!!! An on topic post !!!!!!!!!! WT...H... are we gonna do with this ?????????? You ARE new aren't you ? LOLOLZZZ

yep, the split occurred and it does not matter which series was better, because like a house divided that could not stand...the result was only a question of time. :rolleyes:

So what is left of open wheel racing, with all the new bodywork, now looks more like a sports car series than open wheel racing......




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Must fix the bodywork so that there is close racing, with drafting and passes, and not some artificial tricks like silly rules, crummy tires and so forth. A great TV package is not going to do any good, if the racing is not there.

And need to develope some American names that make the general public feel an affinity for the drivers at the races as in the old days (these races are being held in the USA, after all). Now you have some british drivers that nobody ever heard of...winning the Indy 500..so who cares??


Face it, the only "name" the series had was Danica, who went off to Nascar. Debate how bad she was all you want to.....can not argue with you there.

But hell, she had the name that the AMERICAN public recognized like they used to recognize Foyt, Andretti, Unser, Parnelli Jones, Sneva.......

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Originally Posted by mr nobody

A better TV package would be a huge step in the right direction. Returning to Michigan would also be great as well. Beyond that, I think a return to a "run what you brung" engine would be a good thing. No more engine leases and the engine swould be based off of a pre approved list of supplier parts and the teams would be responsible for building/rebuilding their own engines. Three Dyno test/research sessions per team (meaning Penske would get three just like KV would get three just like ECR would get three) and that's it. If the series mandated a specific list of parts, nothing exotic like titanium this or carbon fiber that, it would bring down costs on the costliest thing in the car.

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I never understood why spec cars had to be made out of Carbon Fiber seems counter productive in the cost saving purpose.

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Originally Posted by Jared East

I never understood why spec cars had to be made out of Carbon Fiber seems counter productive in the cost saving purpose.

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They are more sophisticated and who wants to give that up? :D But, more importantly, they are much, much safer than aluminum monocoque or tube frame chassis.

These are all valid, costs, engine disparity, lack of Americans, lack of a real network until recently. But what we need that no one is mentioning for marketing is Marco Andretti to become his dad or granddad. Let's be honest, even if we get another 4 time winner, we probably will not make the cover of Sports Illustrated. Everyone here has a valid point but Marco winning consistenly and Winning Big ( Indy 500) would do wonders similar to Danica Mania. Marco gets you a Sports Illustrated Cover, Marco winning gets you main stream faster. Texas was the number 2 attended race by far, and because of conflicts we moved our series championship from there. Move that back, get 90K fans in the stands to see you. market , get costs, get sponsoers all of that, but one of the quickest ways to become main stream would be for the one household name to win, and carry our open wheel banner. That kind of name recognition, would go a long ways towards speeding up our beloved open wheel series recovery.

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Originally Posted by FoytFan14

These are all valid, costs, engine disparity, lack of Americans, lack of a real network until recently. But what we need that no one is mentioning for marketing is Marco Andretti to become his dad or granddad. Let's be honest, even if we get another 4 time winner, we probably will not make the cover of Sports Illustrated. Everyone here has a valid point but Marco winning consistenly and Winning Big ( Indy 500) would do wonders similar to Danica Mania. Marco gets you a Sports Illustrated Cover, Marco winning gets you main stream faster. Texas was the number 2 attended race by far, and because of conflicts we moved our series championship from there. Move that back, get 90K fans in the stands to see you. market , get costs, get sponsoers all of that, but one of the quickest ways to become main stream would be for the one household name to win, and carry our open wheel banner. That kind of name recognition, would go a long ways towards speeding up our beloved open wheel series recovery.

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Only one problem, Marco is not a winner and
cars make the stars not the other way around. Formula junior won't do a thing and I don't care who drives it or promotes it

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

cars make the stars not the other way around.

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Not in this century. When was the last time you saw the Red Bull RB5, the Ferrari F138 , the Penske Ford Fusion, the Tony Stewart Chevrolet SS etc. mentioned in the main stream media? What you did see was Vettle, Alonso, Keselowski or Stewart. Sure you might have seen the cars in some racing related blog or magazine, but the folks who read THOSE are not who needs to targeted if you want to REALLY grow a series. You need to bring back the non-gearhead fan.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Not in this century. When was the last time you saw the Red Bull RB5, the Ferrari F138 , the Penske Ford Fusion, the Tony Stewart Chevrolet SS etc. mentioned in the main stream media? What you did see was Vettle, Alonso, Keselowski or Stewart. Sure you might have seen the cars in some racing related blog or magazine, but the folks who read THOSE are not who needs to targeted if you want to REALLY grow a series. You need to bring back the non-gearhead fan.

Gary

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Really? Winning in formula 1 gives you instant recognition and stature as one of the best.Why? Not because of red bull sponsor on the car ,but because of skill and talent needed to tame the sophisticated racing beast of F1 car period. Vettel and Alonso would be nothing if not for F1 and if they race and won in nascar ,indycar, etc would mean nothing.
Please don't give me nascar example of staged infomercials ,staged soap opera phony fights etc. F1 is respected world championship and I guarantee you if they go spec and have bumpers it would go down like Indycar. How do you bring bring people to watch Indycar? Marco? Graham? We are Indy? Harlem shake? How do you promote club racing? I'm sure they would love to know your ideas over at Indy because whatever they tried in last 17 years is not working. I say must be the ugly slow cars that anyone with few bucks can drive.

I got news for you. Indy cars are harder to drive than f1, the series races on more diverse tracks and the indy car champ gets the champ title from winning on his own not some manufactured team orders not allowing team mates to race each other. FYI Sato is the first f1 driver to win an indy car race in a long long time. Heck F1 doesn't even take on anything but tires in their pit stops. Meh, ill take indy car and its fan friendly drivers over F1 any day.

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Originally Posted by Granatelli

I got news for you. Indy cars are harder to drive than f1, the series races on more diverse tracks and the indy car champ gets the champ title from winning on his own not some manufactured team orders not allowing team mates to race each other. FYI Sato is the first f1 driver to win an indy car race in a long long time. Heck F1 doesn't even take on anything but tires in their pit stops. Meh, ill take indy car and its fan friendly drivers over F1 any day.

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I can certainly understand a preference for IndyCar. Unfortunately, you have a couple of facts wrong. For instance, Sato was a backmarker in F1, so I'm not sure I'd put him up there for comparison, not to mention that he's been out of F1 for quite some time now. Driving spec, low horsepower cars isn't what I'd call a challenge to drivers no matter what surface or track type they run on. The team orders part I'll buy. When F1 did refuel during a race, their stops were much shorter than IndyCar, though they did use pressurized rigs instead of gravity flow.