Lance Armstrong found guilty of doping

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Originally Posted by ioan

If you have nothing against strange justice and judgements done with and through mass media, fine, however this is not the way justice is meant to be done in modern democratic world.

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Justice is supposed to be the same in every possible world. You do the crime, you do the time. Simple.

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Originally Posted by ioan

So how many of them have had life bans and have been trashed in public like this?!
Also how many of them have been done with a 13 years old sample?
For how many of them did they heard together several dozens of 'witnesses' who all have a personal issue with Armstrong?

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Ioan. I've seen a lot of posts from you that made me laugh, but for all the 10 years I've been in here, I can't remember you talking trash like you have done in this thread. Do you want to found the Curch of the Seventh Win Apologists? Are you paid by the Liestrong Foundation or by Armstrongs Demand Media spin-doctors?

Of course Armstrong gets a harder punishment than others. Just as you get a harder punishment for blackmailing someone as opposed to shop-lifting.

Whether the sample is 13 years old or 13 minutes doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. It still proves that he doped and he stated under oath that he didn't and he filed bogus lawsuits against people, who said he did. He pressured other riders to take part in Michele Ferrari's organized doping system. He harrassed riders, who dared to break the Omertá. He didn't just dope, he furthered it. That deserves jail-time, not just a lifetime ban.

He (ab)used the hero status he gained from seven fraudulent Tour de France wins to setup a bogus charity of which he extracted a lot of money from. He used it as a shield against all allegations.

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Originally Posted by ioan

The question isn't if Armstrong doped, they all did. The issue is with the way in which 'justice' is being done.

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Justice was attempted to be done, but Birotte was forced to drop the lawsuit, because the Washington regime was afraid of taking down a 'national hero' in an election year.

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Originally Posted by ioan

If you have nothing against strange justice and judgements done with and through mass media, fine, however this is not the way justice is meant to be done in modern democratic world.

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How democratic was Lance's world? He was proved guilty of doping three times:
- 1999 he was positive for corticostereoids, but the UCI covered it up by accepting a back-dated prescription from the team doctor. He didn't have a TUE, so he was positive despite the forged prescription.
- He tested positive for EPO in the 2001 Tour de Suisse. Not long after the UCI received a 25.000$ donation from Armstrong and the test was covered up
- 6 of his 1999 urine samples were tested positive for EPO. Again the UCI refused to ban him.

How many more proof do you need? And Armstrong is facing a ****storm because it isn't the mere doping. Just look at this little laundry list:

- defrauded SCA by suing them to pay several million buck in bonuses for his TdF wins, even though they were achived in a fraudulent manner.
- pressured Trek into forcing Greg Lemond out of business after the latter had accused Armstrong of doping.
- assulted and harrassed Hamilton when he learned that he would testify against him in the Feds investigation
- terrorized Levy Leipheimers wife after learning that Leipheimer would testify
- slandered Frankie Andreu and his wife after those two testified against him in the SCA lausuit.
- bullied Christophe Bassons out of the sport
- Harrassed Fillipo Simeoni during the 18th stage of the 2004 TdF in plain view of the cameras
- Filed a bogus lawsuit against Simeoni, because the latter had accused Armstrong of being a client of Michele Ferrari, which was proven to be true now.
- tried to blackmail Barrack Obama into attending a Livestrong event in 2005 (Selen Roberts' Sen. Kerry's eyewitness account)

That man isn't a hero - he's bloody psychopath.

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

Finally we can all sleep better at night. I'm not traying to defend Lance here, but it is amazing that all these years of testing nothing showed ,and now all these creepers are coming out and spilling the bins for sake of the sport(really?) or tv time ,book deals etc. Where was everyone before when they all got nice checks from federal agency sponsoring the team.

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Several have spoken up way before the USADA case. Bassons did and was bullied out of the sport. Simeoni did and both Armstrong and the UCI retalliated severely. Frankie and Betsy Andreu did and and were harrassed and slandered by Armstrong. Floyd Landis confessed already two years ago - ask him how much good it did him. Leipheimer, Hincapie and Co. would have said anything hadn't they been subpoenaed during the Federal investigation. That was before the USADA case. The fact is, until recently breaking the Omertá was career suicide and Armstrong was its fierced enforcer.

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Originally Posted by FIAT1

I thought so, life was good and it's all about winning. We will never know the real story ,and if Lance blew competition in some high margon than I would understand big fuss, oterhwise to me looks like whole cycling circuit was big doping club and winner is one that does it better. Whole cycling circuit from A to Z should be punished equally in my opinion ,but they already are, therefore it's waste of money and time.

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That's male bovine excrement. First of all not everyonbe was doping. Christophe Bassons for instance didn't. And not everyone took every drug this side of Agent Orange, like Armstrong did. Not everyone had the luxury of a complicit gouverning body that covered up doping positives.

The whole thing of 'they all did it, so it was a level playing field is bull$hit. Zabel for instance went on Terrorkoms doping program in 1996, but had to stop after a week, because he suffered severe adverse reaction, so basically he couldn't dope with EPO, like most others because his body couldn't cope with it.

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Originally Posted by ioan

If you have nothing against strange justice and judgements done with and through mass media, fine, however this is not the way justice is meant to be done in modern democratic world.

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Did you really write that after what you've described in the Assange thread where you've decided he's innocent purely through what you've read in the mass media?

There are quite a few parallels with the Savile case here - (what Savile did was an order of magnitude worse of course), that things were either covered up or ignored for many years.

Lance Armstrong is going to give an exclusive interview to Oprah Winfrey. Wow, she'll really get to the truth with her tough no-holds-barred interview technique. Thank goodness he's not British otherwise he'd have to go head to head with Fearne Cotton....

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Lance Armstrong is going to give an exclusive interview to Oprah Winfrey. Wow, she'll really get to the truth with her tough no-holds-barred interview technique. Thank goodness he's not British otherwise he'd have to go head to head with Fearne Cotton....

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Or Phillip Schofield, who'd probably show Armstrong a list of drugs people on the internet have said he took.

This was very awful for me.As I was a great fan to him.But when I came to know the sad news then I really get surprised.

they should dismantle that bike and shove it right up his ass.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

they should dismantle that bike and shove it right up his ass.

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Quite surprised to hear that from you Unc's. As a 'good ole boy", I thought you would stick your head in the sand as I found a lot of Texans doing when I was in Austin.

Surprised but impressed :up: