Driver and Donkey of the British GP

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Senna answered this to Stewart, as he tried to defend his multiple clashes with Alain Prost. Senna was a great driver, but sometimes he did unforgivable things and came with pseudo-wise crap like this.

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I'm well aware Senna answered that to Stewart as I'm sure is everyone. The point is, that you need to go for a gap if it's there otherwise you'll never get by. Saying that it was Perez's fault because he chose to attempt an overtaking maneuver on a guy he knew might clash with him is absolutely ridiculous. You don't get to F1 by holding back pussy footing around hoping the other guy makes a mistake. You get to it by seizing every opportunity. Sergio was not wrong to attempt to overtake Pastor. Pastor was not wrong to defend but it was Pastor that made the mistake while doing this due to his lack of ability. You never know when the driver in front is going to run out of talent so you take your opportunity to get by as soon as it presents itself regardless of whether or not he is an idiot otherwise you're just stuck behind him indefinitely.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

"If You No Longer Go For A Gap, You Are No Longer A Racing Driver" - Ayrton Senna!

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Sergio went for that gap , and had every right to do so .
Pastor did , too , and also had every right to do so .

Both are racing drivers .

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Senna answered this to Stewart, as he tried to defend his multiple clashes with Alain Prost. Senna was a great driver, but sometimes he did unforgivable things and came with pseudo-wise crap like this.

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It was specifically in answer, having been questioned by Stewart about the McLaren team mates coming together at Suzuka 1989.

This of course, as we all know, was when Balestre suggested drivers double back if they go into the escape road to avoid disqualification.

1990's collision at Suzuka, was due to Balestre's favouritism to Prost by moving the pole spot....

Nice try though! ;)

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Sergio went for that gap , and had every right to do so .
Pastor did , too , and also had every right to do so .

Both are racing drivers .

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To suggest they both were going for the same gap hints that a third party was involved....

Shergar?

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Saying that it was Perez's fault

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Black and white thinking again?

Did I say it was Perez's fault?

Any interpretation of the regulations would find that collision was merely a racing incident or Maldonaldo's fault and that Perez was not at fault. But we're not talking about black and white, right and wrong here. I'm asking whether it was a wise decision or not which is a very different matter entirely, and your very own posts eloquently explain why it wasn't wise, in fact it was a rather stupid move on Perez' part.

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Sergio was not wrong to attempt to overtake Pastor. Pastor was not wrong to defend but it was Pastor that made the mistake while doing this due to his lack of ability. You never know when the driver in front is going to run out of talent so you take your opportunity to get by as soon as it presents itself regardless of whether or not he is an idiot otherwise you're just stuck behind him indefinitely.

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And do you do that by placing yourself exactly where you would be taken off by the driver in front if/when he runs out of talent?

Was that a wise move do you think?

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

"If You No Longer Go For A Gap, You Are No Longer A Racing Driver" - Ayrton Senna!

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Except that Senna never lived by this rule. Nor did any other driver you can classify as a true great.

Truly great drivers know when discretion is the better part of valour and when to really go for it.

Those who live by Senna's maxim have short careers littered with shards of carbon fibre, usually their own.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Sergio went for that gap , and had every right to do so .

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That's quite a "gap" he went for! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Sergio went for that gap , and had every right to do so .
Pastor did , too , and also had every right to do so .

Both are racing drivers .

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Well really, once one car is in the space (in this case Sergio) the gap no longer exists, thus the other driver can't go for it. This is what causes the collision, going for a gap that no longer exists! :)


In this case racing incident, but I don't think Pastor even tried to make the corner very hard. He was jumping into the already closed gap to try to defend IMO, and did it a bit late.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Well really, once one car is in the space (in this case Sergio) the gap no longer exists, thus the other driver can't go for it. This is what causes the collision, going for a gap that no longer exists! :)


In this case racing incident, but I don't think Pastor even tried to make the corner very hard. He was jumping into the already closed gap to try to defend IMO, and did it a bit late.

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According to Pastor , he lost the front end , and then the back .

If he hadn't lost either , and had managed the grip he needed , there was space left inside .

If that had happened , we might all be lauding the brave effort of the young Mexican , daring to drive around the outside of a driver on cold tires .

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Originally Posted by henners88

I hope something more exciting happens in the next race, we need a new thread and discussion topic pronto :eek:

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Thanks for your contribution to this discussion . Great insight .